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The average person, who you are writing for, isn’t in a hospital surrounded by sick people all day, so the study doesn’t fully apply to them does it?

If we aren't surrounded by sick people all day, then why the hell are we supposed to be wearing masks?

unfounded statement

Most people (me included) won't be wearing the masks in the right way. So yes, I do think it is dangerous to wear a cloth mask. I would recommend getting something much more severe with a replaceable filter designed to prevent the tiny aerosole particles from entering or exiting. Of course, if only 1/1000 people can get one of those professional masks and everyone else is wearing cloth or paper, it's hard to see how this is going to be effective. The study cited (not unfounded) is in a hospital complex, true. So what? You don't think it's an entry point into the conversation? Why would you completely disqualify this if you did not already have a strong point of view that you'd prefer to defend.

WW3: Humanity against Covid

Right. That's a very reasonable position. We should just take people who are skeptical and shoot them in the head as deserters. Nice one.

hopefully you can explain how your statement isn’t disinformation, as part of the discussion

I think this term gets banded around as a means to disqualify discussion that isn't fitting into a broad consensus. I think that's really dangerous. Disinfo is when one party purposely (in bad faith) manipulates information to achieve an interested end. For example, operation mincemeat in ww2. British spies planted disinformation about the allied attack on Sicily. Brilliant disinformation campaign.

well put. The study i mentioned takes place in a hospital environment, yes. Due to a lack of like studies that's the relevent one at the moment. Hopefully the Danish study will have its findings released soon.

I'm not a lawyer. I am writing in good faith.

good point and i hope the mask thing is not politicized.

Hey. it's a discussion forum. we're discussing. People can read what you just wrote, and look at the links we both put up. And then make up their own minds. Besides accusing me of disinformation, you made a good contribution to the discussion. My only point is that the efficacy of mandated face masks is far from settled, scientifically. If it were then you wouldn't have a debate about it.

https://www.cebm.net/oxford-covid-19-evidence-service/

Some say it works, some say it doesn't. Make up your own mind.

Yes. Hopefully NOT because of political correctness (spidey senses jangling all the time these days!!!!). we'll see.

I just read that it's being peer reviewed at another prestigious journal. IMO the Lancet is way too political at the moment. Hardly qualifies as scientific.

The question of mask effectiveness is still open. There is no hard evidence that they do work, only some hard evidence that they don't. The article below is from july 2020 and lists all known post-Covid randomized control studies. Note that the Danish study is complete as of october 2020, but the results were refused publication from Lancet and two other major journals. Presumably because the results were not politically correct.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/

btw: the findings of the last study (2015) were that paper masks or non masks make no difference ultimately, to the spread of disease - presumably because so few people wear the things correctly and it's almost impossible to do ALL the time - BUT wearing a CLOTH mask doubles your chances of infection. I figure that's because you're incubating all kinds of shit on there, fungus, bacteria, etc. Like a whole viral load.

Hi will take a rear and front mech off you if it can go with an 8 speed cassette.

Second dibs on cowchippers and no probs to pick up at kings x

Thanks. Rim.

yes please..

Upgrading an 80s frame to some kind of weird monster bike.

Good wheelset For wide tyres (35mm)

Also would be up for changing the groupset to Something decent and modern

Finally if you’ve got some gravel bars.. why not?

Building up a winter bike on an old Viscount Aerospace frame.

So no disc brakes please.
Long drop brakes would be good...

Otherwise. what do you have?

Same question as @ao1989 I'd consider buying full bike.

Looking for something decent and pretty cheap.

Rough looking = good looking.

This will be used by teenagers in hackney.

Steel preferred.

Looking for two of them.

All best.

Yup. Seized seat posts aren’t great.

under 400

Something nice and low key for the wife.

Be good if it came with decent bits on it.

Bought this but never used it. Paid £300.

New in box. I'm open to offers.

It's like having google maps on an android or something. Smart phone level navigation. So I hear.. I never used it!

Collection in London or postage.

great bike. too bad I live in hackney and can't have anything that looks nice.

hi are the nittos 26mm?

moser is beautiful. I've just bought a bike, so no longer need. Thanks.

Thanks all. That Merckx is beautiful. unfortunately not the rat bike look I'm trying to project. basically my neighbor is watching.