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It's difficult to build any meaningful run endurance with weight/strength training, because even a 5x20 is only 100 reps and a weight that you could lift for that lot would be wasting a lot of potential strength gains for the time your investing. How many steps/reps does your typical run have!
When I started lifting, as a reforming run addict, my coach suggested just doing squat, press and Deadlift which would make the most of the single session per week that I was able to commit to.
Warmup with empty bar 3x5
Build up weight over 3 to 4 sets, whilst dropping reps to 1.
Working weight 3x5Deadlift warmup. Bar with 5 or 10kg bumper plates 3x5.
Build up
Working weight 1x5Obviously depends how you progress, but add 2.5kg for squat. 1kg press and 5kg for Deadlift each session and you will quickly find it hard. When required, increase your rest times through 4, 5 up to 6min and once the big weight increases are too much, reduce the weight increase to 1.25, 0.5 and 2kg.
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If you think 3x5 works, fair enough
3x5 did work for me for four months of Linear Progression with squat, press and DL
Press stalled so introduced bench
Ran ultra which knocked everything back.
Early December 120kg Deadlift was stuck to the floor. So a change to a mixed intermediate three day rolling plan across my two training days.
It has 4x5 in it, but that's not there to drive the strength gain
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Ive just downloaded the Stronglifts app for a look.
Thats a big deload if I was to start now and training twice a week it looks to be the end of March before getting back to 100kg deadlift for 1x5... my current program has moderate stress at 122kg for 1x5 ( increasing by 2kg every 1.5 weeks), high stress of 103.5 for 3x5.Im sure SL 5x5 fits many people who don't want to look into programming, and just want to open the app and do as required. But for me, it looks like it would be 3 months of wasted diesel, money and time.
My bench is still Novice Linear Progression for now, but the other lifts have swapped to intermediate programmes.
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SS and SL5x5 are fairly simillar but I beleive SS aims for maximum strength whilst 5x5 sacrifices some outright strength for a simple to use app and ending up being Cross Fit fit.
I just had a quick look at the Starting Strength app. It looks to me 5x5 is the start
Ive only previewed the Starting Strength app, as I have a coach and log book. The first sets of 5 shown in the app are probably warmup sets. But I think you can program what you want to allow intermediate and advanced program flexibility...
3x5 is the goto volume and the norm untill Linear Progression stalls
5x3 allows the intensity to keep going up at more challenging weights whilst keeping the same volume.
Or 1x5 plus 2x5 @85%3x3 allows moderate stress at high intensity for ladies and me being as my revovery is crap from high stress 😂
But thats coupled with volume days of 3x5 @85%Simple Hard Effective-
Simple. A few lifts that use the most muscles over the greatest range of motion
Hard. You always add intensity to each max lift as you adapt.
Effective. Minimise the gym time/work by focusing on form and intensityI've just started to outlift the ladies, so yeah the stronger lads weights are rather frightening.
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I’m not sure I understand your point. More sets means more weight - obviously. This all presumes that, as you lift heavier, you can actually lift it. Failure is part of the process. Fail three times and the weight drops by 10%.
If strength if being able to produce a force against a load, your 1RM. For the same amount of gym time/suffering, your probably going to be stronger from higher intensity (weight) and lower volume(total reps). I used to do 6x25 bodyweight squats most mornings but that didn't make me strong. Strong Lifts puts more emphasis on volume compared to higher intensity with Starting Strength
The last point is - why are you doing it?
I started repairing windows and doors for a living. One of my first jobs was for a tripple glazed patio door, which was close to impossibly heavy.
I've had back pain regularly for the past 20 years and was always careful/worried when lifting something. Or sneezing wrong.
Being way stronger than previously, it aso helped blag and enjoy a 37 mile and 44 mile hilly ultra with a stupidly low amount of training miles.
StrongLifts and Starting Strength are for strength training. There will be other plans for other goals. My friend, who is younger, stronger and fitter then me does weights to maintain strength and improve conditioning. He does more reps at lighter weights for this although his ‘lighter weights’ are close to my maximum!
If your not strong, you can't do light weights for conditioning, because they are actually heavy 😃
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But the sessions with 5 sets will cause more stress (than 3 sets) on your body which will take longer to recover from.
So your probably not rested enough to maximise the days with a single set... Or if you try adding extra weight then you won't be able to keep that for 5 sets.Considering 3x5 Linear Progression and 5x5 with 1x5.
Over two sessions, they would both contain 6 sets and at the same weight would give the same tonnage.100kg 5x5 2500kg
100kg 1x5 500kg
3000kg total100kg 3x5 1500kg
100kg 3x5 150kg
3000kg totalBut if 100kg is all you can manage for the last rep of your fifth set and 2500kg is the maximum your capable of recovering from, your adaptation will stall as your not fully recovered for the single set and 100kg becomes your ceiling.
If you were only doing 3 sets, you could probably do 110kg and should still be able to add a kg each workout for a while as you can fully recover from the lower stress of 3 sets.
Cue 15 weeks later
Tuesday 140kg 3x5 2100kg
Friday 141kg 3x5 2115kg...Do you need that 5th (or 4th) set? Or could you use that time and effort recovering a bit better and add a little bit more weight next time?
Im 48, not particularly athletic and don't need the explosive force, plus the amount I could Power Clean isn't worth while
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Stronglifts and SS are very similar, and you can definitely change between the two. Worth a listen..
https://barbell-logic.com/41-transitioning-stronglifts-starting-strength/I haven't tried the Power Clean. I'm only training twice a week, so Squat, OHP/Bench, Deadlift have been enough. Now adding chins as a substitute to a DL session, to allow a longer rest period before heavy deadlifts
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Is anyone else doing the Starting Strength barbell training?
As an ultra runner, I was fit enough, but weighed sod all* and could lift sod all. So in May I started training with a local gym (Capricorn Fitness).
The first few sessions were relatively heavy weight, but manageable enough to get good form for the lift and establishing a starting point for the Novice Linear Progression. Then continuing to add a bit of weight each session.
I've sabotaged progress with a couple of ultras, which required a deload afterwards and I've reached my limit for simply adding weight each session. So we've changed my program to have intensity days and volume days, as well as recently including the Bench Press to keep progressing upper body lifts as OHP had stalled.
Currently:-
Squats 83.5kg 3x3
OHP 50.5kg 3x3
Bench 65kg 3x5
Deadlift 122kg x5*2017 race weight 65-67kg with 9 to 11%fat.
May 2018 weight 70kg 13%fat.
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Prices lowered and fixed my dyslexic mistake for the colourmunki (210 to 120 )
Lastolite 75cm Trigrip Sunlite / Soft Silver reflector.
Gold and silver bands one side
Silver and white bands on the other side.
Double sided hand held pop out reflector. £30 postedSeconic L358 flash meter.
Everything in the box
Stored with the battery removed, so no corrosion. £110 postedX-Rite Colour Checker Classic Chart.
Edge of cardboard sleeve is a bit squashed, but the card is fine £30 postedX-Rite ColorMunki Photo.
With case and hanging strap for calibrating monitors. Cable and software.
Create accurate colour profiles for monitor /TV and printer.
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Is this padlock any good?
It could just be that particular key profile being easy to rake, but that's rather poor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa88J3HShIk
You could add them after the event, or next morning.
If your too legless to remember what to add, maybe 10 units is a bit ambitious 😁