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48x16?
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I'll share my location with you so you can chase if you wanna :)
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Sorry I have been mega busy today. As it's getting all a little last minute why don't we agree to meet here at 7:45
Tesco Express at the corner of Vassall Road and Brixton Road https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4766779,-0.1123504,3a,75y,284.89h,98.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6yfnrtSj5Bjrso8Rn3YgKw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192.
It's along the route and a main artery and place to get some last min food. Last place we met closed down since and I can't think of another place atm. It's shit I know but unless someone else has another idea I'm all ears.
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wrong thread
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I hate the internet because it makes it encourages everyone to not take their time and subsequently gloss over fine distinctions, no-one more so than myself.
I do not not think ripping anyone off for money is legitimate. Nothing I've said should be supportive of that. Again if the builder is a liar then he needs to give the money back and get in the bin.
I am admittedly - in a slightly off-topic way and probably legitimately hijacking the post - trying to make a general point about customer expectations. Maybe here isn't the place and I've sort of already attempted to put my point across. But for clarity, in this specific situation sounds like the OP got done. There is a larger point to be made about money-ed customers pushing their financial entitlement to unreasonable limits, but if it comes up again I'll take it elsewhere.
Good luck to the OP to on getting a just resolution.
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I should have clarified some of my pronouns a bit so the you meant "one" instead of sounding directed at OP, and maybe reduced what could be perceived as victim-blaming. For example that could read "it may be because you let it". And as I said, if the framebuilder (according to the OP) is full of lies this is simply not the OP's fault and has been infinitely dicked around and deserves all their money back ASAP. I agree @hippy although even more so - amicable should have left the building 8 months ago.
and Uber Gruber for all of your anti-capitalistic business rants and 'brands and adverts are disgusting' etc that comment seems to show a lot of faith and adoration in
The Customer is Always Right, deserves the best, the golden beacon of the market economy. Customers and clients have been known to be unreasonable, and these days with internet parts and direct access to the East market people will do their utmost to get the very most for the least amount. Not a lot to cheer about those market conditions - some amazing things are produced which aren't profitable. This might be the only time in my opinion when bikes and art intersect, ie when things aren't made for money. -
While this project has some serious issues, especially with regards to payment and actual completion, there are larger issues for all of us to consider in this case, which is "the client". We don't know what your brief was, but you exchanged a slow-drip of emails of design tweaks and gear changes for over a year. To me this sounds like a client who doesn't know what they want. I too would be hesitant to start welding if I were them. From late spring 2018 to mid autumn the both of you essentially went quiet on the project, until you decided that it was time state an end date. Now setting aside that you suggest the framebuilder may never do it - which if true this framebuilder is a charlatan and you should demand a full refund immediately- it has still taken taken nearly 2 years to not get a bike. If this builder is not a charlatan and has legitimate project-related reasons for the delay, then the non-bike is both yours and the frame-builders responsibility, for reasons I'll detail below.
Framebuildres are not project managers. If we want a deliciously well-managed build with inputs into colourway and subtle design options delivered on schedule and to your door, I would suggest a person get themselves to an Audi dealership. However these are sole-traders (generally weirdos) working on commission for clients who start out not knowing what they want, what it might eventually look like or when they want it by. The difficult hometruth here for anyone commissioning a bespoke bike is that it's going to be your job to make it straightforward for them to make your bike. If a project is dragging on and on and on it's probably because you let it. Set some dates for completion, which if not met then the project is cancelled or adjusted otherwise amended / refunded. If someone changes their mind mid-project it's going to fuck the timeline up guaranteed.
We think we live in this age of consumer experience with back massages at a cafe that's open until 8pm and Amazon next-day delivery handed to us at our door by a puffed-out van driver. A bespoke bike is probably made by some former crustpunk stranger via a massive injection of someone else's capital in a souped-up garage. This framebuilder will not be qualified in PRINCE2. I wonder at people's expectations when commissioning bikes.
Think of this as food for thought generally instead of a direct dig at the OP.
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Yea I am out for tonight
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Nope that would be @plasticniki
49x15??!?!