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Based on flawed rates from the start off, there will be millions who have it but aren't tested simply because it's impractical to test for it for everyone, nor should we increase testing, it's a waste of resources.
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Feeding the isolated, infirm and elderly through a local authority backed social community organisation. We also do lots of other things including pumping any money left over into other services to support those that need it in the area that need extra help.
Additionally we support the local Age UK hospital discharge scheme with welfare bags and send welfare bags out into the community every week, we also support the community with nutrition checks to ensure they are getting enough of the right foods/calorific intake to stay well or hopefully get better and bring them out of the malnutrition band in quite a few cases.
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As a front line worker I can't do that entirely, oh, you're throwing insults, gotcha.
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Check the hospitalisation and ICU cases from flu in my above post.
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My conclusion was that infection rate is higher, deaths are massively higher and has been much worse going back.
Have you fact checked the weekly documented number in hospital per week/100k from influenza?As an example this is week 49 December 12th 2019
Hospitalisations in ONE WEEK from influenza 5.0/100k
ICU cases for ONE week 0.22 cases/100k
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/851695/Weekly_national_influenza_report_week_50.pdfGo further back Week 3 for 2017, 0.48 ICU cases per 100k reported across 116 from the 144 Trusts at the time.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/676759/Weekly_national_influenza_report_week_04_2018.pdfWhich is putting more people in hospital per week, the bigger threat is not from C.19
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what's his chart for influenza deaths/cases so that we have a comparison?
Oh wait, there isn't one because people are ignoring the already existing massive numbers of influenza that the northern hemisphere suffers from every year during the 'winter' period, you understand Excess Winter Mortality right?
5000 china deaths is a drop in the ocean of their influenza deaths.Early testing simply produces more +ve results and then people add 2+2 and get 5, the video on YT i've linked to explains why.
if testing and isolation was that important why is that not already a thing for influenza which kills over a million every year, that killed 32,500 in England and Wales last year alone?We should isolate forever if we are to believe this is such a big threat given flu will still kill more and infect more because it doesn't get reported as much and people are less stringent in their basic personal hygiene.
And as we know, Corona Viruses exist every year and kill people every year already and have done for over half a century. -
More testing for a specific thing gives you more positives than what you aren't testing for, so if you test more for C.19 then you will of course get more +ve results.
Even despite that the self reporting (which is massively under the actual number of people contracting flu) influenza rates are still massively higher than that for C.19 in every countries data that I've looked for.
Also the number of C.19 cases are seemingly being used as an aggregate, not taken as a weeks worth as per the government and indeed WHO method of reporting cases per 100k for influenza, this massively distorts the figures even more especially during peak times of an outbreak. -
this is a massive over reaction to a none problem the data the government produce proves this is total bullshit. England and Wales flu deaths 32,525 last year (over 20k over 65s just in England alone), US flu deaths 61,000, China flu deaths in the hundreds of thousands, Italy some years ago reported an average of 17,000 flu deaths and that was before the increases in the last couple of year. Corona has been around 60 years, we get new ones every now and then, we have deaths from corona viruses every year, the health people know this, they also know about excess winter mortality which they are not mentioning.
Infection rate is LOWER than for flu, France had last week 175 new flu cases per 100k, this outstrips C.Virus massively, Same in England which had according to the government 14.6 new flu cases per 100k, that's 8300 for that week just in England in ONE WEEK, Scotland flu rates was 27/100k so another 1400+ flu cases in ONE WEEK. England and Wales flu deaths from 2018-19 are 89 on average every single day! Flu rate last winter peaked at 75 cases per 100k, that's 50,000 flu cases in a week.
All data is from the excess winter mortality document from 2018-19 on the .gov website see Tables 6a and 6b, download 6b to see the number of weekly flu deaths.(C.virus is added up for all weeks which is not how you report correctly)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2018to2019provisionaland2017to2018final#weekly-deaths-and-influenza-activityAlso Watch, listen and understand as to why these deaths are being taken totally out of context!!
this is similar to Jake Olivier counting head injuries in hospitals including those that aren't preventable by helmets (such as cut lips) and ignoring the background head injuries and deaths from motorists and pedestrians and then stating helmets are required for cyclists only. -
this is a massive over reaction to a none problem the data the government produce proves this is total bullshit. England and Wales flu deaths 32,525 last year, US flu deaths 61,000, China flu deaths in the hundreds of thousands, Italy some years ago reported an average of 17,000 flu deaths and that was before the increases in the last couple of year.
Corona has been around 60 years, we get new ones every now and then, we have deaths from corona viruses every year, the health people know this, they also know about excess winter mortality which they are not mentioning. Infection rate is LOWER than for flu, France had last week 175 new flu cases per 100k, this outstrips C.Virus massively, same in England which had according to the government 14.6 new flu cases per 100k, that's 8300 for that week just in England in ONE WEEK, Scotland flu rates was 27/100k so another 1400+ flu cases in ONE WEEK. England and Wales flu deaths from 2018-19 are 89 on average every single day! Flu rate last winter peaked at 75 cases per 100k, that's 50,000 flu cases in a week. All
data is from the excess winter mortality document from 2018-19 on the .gov website see Tables 6a and 6b, download 6b to see the number of weekly flu deaths.C.virus is added up for all weeks which is not how you report correctly.
Also Watch, listen and understand as to why these deaths are being taken totally out of context!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_AyuhbnPOI
Where did I say everything was fine, bother to read the data on how influenza has posed a bigger risk every year (and greater infection rates than C.19), government data goes back to 2004 on their website, avail yourself of the facts, avail yourself of how Corona viruses have been around and have done precisely this in other years not just here but everywhere (mentioned in the video I linked to)
Make the comparisons between other respiratory ailments and the numbers involved, understand what Excess Winter Mortality is and why it's important with regards to what is happening/has happened.
More than 20,000 over 65s die just in England alone from influenza every year using the fluMoMo algorithm, why weren't you and everyone else locking down and social distancing to prevent that, or where they simply acceptable casualties of a society that when you have sometimes multiple other ailments already pre-existing means that inevitably many will die no matter happens which is what happens every year?
We will not get rid of corona viruses, they will continue to come around with different strains just as they have in the past, no matter how stringent you are we cannot eradicate because we simply cannot isolate in totality within a normal functioning society. This is in part were countries like Italy are susceptible to spikes/high numbers from ailments like this, their average from a few years back based on 5 years worth of data was 5.5Million reported influenza cases (ILI - influenza like illness), the deaths averaged 17,000/year. We already know that deaths from flu and reported cases have been on the rise in the last few years so this number will be even higher in more recent years, this shows pretty much everywhere you look. China's reported flu cases per week are simply astronomical, but from a country with 1.6Bn and the huge cities with people en-mass it's not really surprising. As of 2018 their weekly average ILI was reported to be 55 cases per 100k per week for every week of the year, that's 880,000 flu cases PER WEEK on average.
When the numbers go down, and they will as does influenza when the warmer months come around but we are still seeing deaths from respiratory ailments that aren't C.19 what are you going to do, keep locked down and SI, how long for, til 100% eradication?
That means indefinitely as flu, other RD ailments and Corona virus will not go away and are a normal part of life as we know it, by throwing so many resources at this and people not able to earn money, businesses, self employed going belly up, we are making matters worse for the country/globe as a whole for the have nots in the long run.
You think health services will continue with their output and increased costs currently or do you think it will get pared back even more due to the massive debt being created (let's not go into the whole who did what to pare it back before, we know)
Should people have already being doing more with their personal hygiene and avoiding the frail/vulnerable when they themselves are unwell, absolutely, as a former Health Safety and Hygiene trainer/auditor in my former career I saw plenty all the time. Every day people with their dirty habits both in the home, at work and leisure, I've watched health professionals fail to stick to the most basic of rules.
30+ years of watching how people go about their business it's no surprise that years such as 2017 we experienced massively high influenza cases with many tens of thousands of deaths but actually as we experience every year.
In one week at its peak -either week 2 or 3 which is the 2 or 3rd week of Jan, we saw 244 acute outbreaks of influenza reported, most in care homes, there was a peak of reported ILI to medical professionals of 75/100k, that's 50,000 cases PER WEEK reported, which ignores all the milder flu cases that don't get reported. In France only just two weeks ago they were reporting 175/100k for influenza like illness, that's 105,000 cases in ONE WEEK!
The ICU numbers for that one week may surprise people but they were 0.48/100k or 264 ICU cases (not all trusts report hence the numerical difference of reported ICU cases), the previous week it was even higher at 0.56 ICU cases /100k, these were just for England alone!
In the grand scheme of things C.19 is a drop in the ocean, the 4% mortality rate being bandied around is utter nonsense, for a start you can't calculate mortality rates early on because of the spikes, especially through the months when deaths from RD are far more commonplace (hence why Excess Winter Mortality is important), it is far too easy to make numbers appear to tell you one thing when you are intently looking for that, which is what is explained in the YT video I linked to, it massively distorts the numbers and they way they are interpreted, worse so when you have cases/deaths in high dependency units filled with people that have multiple problems, of course you're going to have a high mortality rate, again the video explains this bias in the data.
People like Vallance have barely mentioned EWM numbers, he briefly touched on it at a parliamentary committee meeting but did not expand as to why this was important, he also did not put C.19 into context to other RD ailments which he should have been done and was really important so that the public were not going to go into blind panic/fear. He and the CMO should have known about how you can produce bias results by actively testing for x and seeing higher death numbers when you take them from patients that already have multiple issues, but they do not want to put their heads above the parapet and state that WHO and others are wrong, nor does Boris because it would be career suicide for them all.
The same thing happens with super-forcasters in the economic world and why they are so pish poor at predicting crashes, they are so frightened to go against the grain despite the evidence just in case they are the only one wrong, so they stick with the mass thinking.
The herd immunity should have been the best way to go BUT with far more care in terms of how we go about our own personal hygiene and limiting visits to vulnerable people and ensuring strict guidelines are adhered to when you do.
THAT would have had least disruption, but also addressed things for the longer term as a society/species because SD and isolation is impossible to carry on and isn't actually happening anyway due to the very nature that human beings live/exist.
Hospitals are always swamped during certain times, emotive images of coffins being held and used as evidence that C.19 is a massive problem falsely represents what's happening as the likelihood is this occurs every year due to RD and other ailments when a particular countries health service cannot cope.
And why can't they cope, because as someone mentioned above the number of people who are obese and have obesity related ailments make up a significant number of those in hospital, that is why increasing cycling should be the biggest thing to be done, when you also see the reduction in pollution and the premature deaths that brings about, which also will dwarf C.19 related premature deaths. But we know it won't because polis are utterly clueless and are too deep into certain industries and can't see past the lunacy of going the way we have the last 60 years, which is the same period of when corona Virus first started being a thing and has been with us ever since.
Will I follow the rules, yes, am I worried about C.19 itself, not in the slightest, I'm worried about the reaction to it and the harm it's causing the vast majority in so many ways including mental health. Can there be an upshot in terms of increasing cycling, who knows but honestly I doubt it.