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Enjoying my new Smiths Everest. Thanks @swedeee
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Are you saying that if you can't see that the "old regime" (whatever that means) was antisemitic you are therefore an antisemite? Because if so, we're back to the claim that left is antisemitic.
Quite clearly I'm not saying that. There's a difference between saying that the party leadership is inherently racist (what bleakrefs was inferring when he said the left) and 'all leftwingers are racist' (a inference that is clearly not meant as literally as that in the sentence that u quoted, if it was it would be completely ridiculous) I understand why there is this hysteria on the left of the party and I (and I think bleakrefs) am saying that it doesn't bear any relationship to the reality of things. Look at the substance of his speech today. As many people on here have said it is promising and actually quite left wing. So far not antisemitic. Let's hope that the rumblings of racism against BAME people in the party are properly dealt with and that the current regime deal with it clearly,effectively and transparently.
The 'old regime' is the leadership of corbyn.
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On the secretary thing, all I'm doing here is mimicking the tiresome requests for 'proof' whenever this conversation comes up with left wing people.
I don't read that as saying that the entire left is antisemitic so no I would still say that noone is saying that the entire left is antisemitic. If you take it completely out of the context of the discussion then maybe. So where is it being said in this thread?
This is all being mentioned in the context of Starmer being ruthless against the left wing of the party as it is currently hysterically perceived by that wing.
The argument is that Starmers main public actions against the leftwing of the party, sidelining RBL (because of her unapologetic antisemitic statements) and kicking corbyn out of the party (because of his unapologetic minimising of racism in the party) has got nothing to do with their socialism and everything to do with their racism. That statement is clearly referring to this and he illustrates that with the RBL and Corbyn points.
The way I see it, the only people currently conflating antisemitism and 'all socialists are somehow inherently antisemitic' are portions of the left of the party who cannot accept that the old regime was run by people who were racist towards jews and therefore being censured because of it.
This isn't 'banging on about antisemitism, it's just ensuring that the narrative of 'centrist kieth hates the left and good socialist Jeremy because he's a tory' isn't seen as the only reason why the previous regime have been sidelined.
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Where?
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Yeah noones actually said that have they. It was prevalent within the last lot though.
Of course it doesn't just go away if you stop talking about it as everyone desperately wants to happen. It's also relevant to the current discussion about starmer as he's being criticised for being too harsh on some of his opponents on the left and that was mainly due to him being intolerant of their unapologetic antisemitism.
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Think there's a lot of truth in this. That's why starmer has to tread carefully and slowly chip away at the idea that 'Boris is just doing his best, he's a good bloke who delivered brexit'.
Gonna take a long time to break that down with alot of people, especially when most people only really pay attention to politics during election time -
Can't beat gaslighting the jews for morning sport can we. Dickhead
Move. The. Fuck. On. Corbyn. Was. A. Racist. Get. Over. It.
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What rubbish. None of what he says is libelous, misrepresentation and he has a very good grasp on the vile antisemitism that was unfortunately prevalent in Corbyns left that tore the party apart. In fact he hits the nail on the head.
You are right on one thing though. It's best to leave it and stop rehashing it because it just sounds like you are digging a hole for yourself. Best leave it alone.
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Why is it easy mode? It's only just over a year ago that tons of people voted tory and labour had their worst defeat for years. Swing voters that voted tory will still feel the same things as they felt when they voted tory for whatever reason. Despite everything that has happened last year, that massive tory win is still recent, think it's pretty difficult to expect so many people to suddenly change their minds just because the leader is different.
It also seems prudent to hold fire on telling everyone exactly what you think the country should look like when you are PM at the moment because there is no doubt that we will be emerging into a very different world post covid with a whole different set of arguments and voter priorities. Hold fire until its over, oppose them, let the Tories continue to mess up and then bring out some policies and a coherent political story closer to an election so the Tories don't get the chance to steal them or outflank you.
Plus Brexit has only just happened and in alot of people's minds, that is a massive tick for Boris Johnson and the Tories. That will only have a hope of unraveling over a few years.
Personally I think the best starmer can hope for in 2024 is to reduce the Tory majority to a small one or a hung parliament with the snp on labour's side. Anything else is a fantasy
Agreed