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Modern Group on vintage steel is the way to go. After getting rid of the downtube shifters on my gazelle, climbing has been enjoyable!
This is lovely. Out of interest what group is that?
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H+M do a fit called 'drain' that I buy every winter.
They last the whole season, are reasonably slim fitting, have a highish rise and they have lycra in them. £25.You're welcome ;)
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I have an 'old' steel frame from 84 that I love, it fits me and works just fine as it is but I'm absolutely fed up of reaching down to shift one of my 12 gears ( Shimano 600 ), especially when riding in a group, so I'm going to buy carbon centaur and some new handbuilt wheels.
Personally it boils down to budget. I have about £800 to spend and for that money I'd rather have the centaur equipped 'old' frame over a low level otp modern racing bike and this also means that down the line, when the funds are there, I can updgrade my 'old' frame to something more modern ( I'd love a stainless Rourke ) and then rebuild the old frame with it's original parts.
I think the debate going on here is pretty pointless and it is all down to your own tastes. I myself love the look of old steel with a modern gruppo... modern materials may well be lighter and stiffer but honestly, am I going to be racing it? No. I just want a bike I am comfortable on over long distances, a bike that suits my abilities and ultimately a bike that I find aesthetically pleasing.
I love this:
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FYI. This was/is a friend of mine's. He had it stolen over 12 months ago outside a house party in KH. It was purchased on Sunday from said booter. After it was explained to the vendor that he was 'fencing' he lowered the price considerably, he actually had no idea it was a stolen bike.
The bike will be returned to it's owner this weekend in exactly the same state as it was stolen, bar the extra ding in the TT.
Result I say and those wheels, I'm having 'em!
You have PM.