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  • the 'by date of death' is less dramatic, certainly trending up but unsure if its due to reporting lags?

    Yes, look back in 4-5 days as it takes that long for (from memory) ~90% of the deaths to have been recorded by then (even longer around bank holidays). Some deaths take up to 30 days to appear, but that's usually only a very few.

    The fact that this graph is already starting to trend up (even with this lag) is concerning.

  • Whole family (me, wife and son) positive. None of us too bad at the moment. Hooray for vaccines!

  • We had covid from the 16th to the 25th of December. Booster is booked for the 15th of Jan (our last doses were July). We're going to Australia from the 18th of Jan to the 9th of Feb.

    We're four weeks from first symptoms, so think booster is ok. Is there any downside to getting it before we go? Feeling like shit on the plane? Can we delay until Feb relying on natural immunity from the infection in December?

  • Just get them in your arms. The whole reinfection picture is really blurry at the moment because it hasn't been long enough to have good data. I think for the sake of the small chance that you might be feeling a bit groggy on the flight, I'd just have the booster if I was n your shoes.

    One thing we do know is that Delta immunity isn't that effective against Omicron, and Delta is still about. A friend of mine caught Omicron only 5 weeks after having Delta. Unlikely to be your situation but still worth considering.

  • We're four weeks from first symptoms, so think booster is ok.

    I wouldn't hang around.

    Is there any downside to getting it before we go? Feeling like shit on the plane?

    Take a big box of paracetamol . Maybe not if you are connecting in Dubai where it is probably illegal or something.

  • New shot 4 weeks after infection? I would just wait

  • 4 weeks is the minimum after infection (for adults, children have to wait 12 weeks unless they're high risk).

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronaviru­s-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-­coronavirus-vaccination/

    "
    If you've had a positive COVID-19 test

    If you've had a positive COVID-19 test, you need to wait before getting any dose of the vaccine. You need to:

    wait 4 weeks (28 days) if you're aged 18 years old or over
    wait 12 weeks (84 days) if you're aged 12 to 17 years old
    wait 4 weeks (28 days) if you're aged 12 to 17 years old and at high-risk from COVID-19
    "

    Personally I'd go for the booster ASAP rather than putting it off until after, but then I only had an odd reaction for about 6h in total after my booster.

  • Well, they're booked for Saturday so I reckon we'll just go for it. Neither of us has anything worse than a sore arm up until now.

    Not looking forward to the pre-departure PCR the day after the booster and five weeks from having covid...

  • Not looking forward to the pre-departure PCR the day after the booster and five weeks from having covid...

    Booster can't affect the PCR as the PCR is looking for bits of viral RNA that aren't present in any of the vaccines.

    PCR within 5 weeks of having covid is another matter though. In reality it is only a very small percentage of people that continue to test positive on PCR way after the infection has cleared up. The ONS has figures on this, I think the phrase to look for is "clearance time".

  • I tested positive for Covid in July last year with zero symptoms - wife and little one both had something so we went for a test - they both came back negative.

    I had my second jab 3 weeks later in order to get into France for a holiday. No side affects from the jab whatsoever.

  • Number 4 going in my arm today.

  • I tested possitive 6 weeks after my first possitive test but then again it took me about 8 weeks to get well.

  • Reckon we'll get a badge or something when we hit 10 - like they do/did with the blood donating?

  • Yup, I've done the reading, but it won't help the 24h nerves waiting for the result. Aus isn't a cheap flight to miss :/

    Could always become tennis #1 as a backup

  • Guys.
    The 4th jab doesn't go in your arm.

  • I hope so! Maybe a nice star or something.

  • Yep, I did my latest ONS PCR test yesterday, confidently answering "no" to the "Have you been in contact with anyone in the last 7 days who has subsequently tested positive?" question.

    Of course the day after I find out someone I played 5-a-side with, and then went to the pub with, last Thursday has tested positive. And also my BiL who I had a boozy night with on Saturday, but then he most likely picked it up at the football that day so was unlikely to be infectious.

    Lateral flow just now is negative but I've got a nervous few days to wait for the ONS PCR result. If that's positive then there's a relatively expensive theatre outing this weekend that is at risk (not quite Aus flights though I know.)

  • Did you tell the jabbers that you were positive 3 weeks before?

  • So cloro what ever (the anti malerial) is being touted again as a cure for Omicron variant. FFS.

  • I did not

  • Its logical tho and may not reflect what one may first think.

    Considering that x amount of ppl are going to die at approx the same rate each year in a population then if a larger procentage of the population is infected with covid like we know is the case today then a larger part of the deaths are going to be counted in the covid death statistics.

    So the number was expected to increase regardless if covid was the cause of the death or not sice many more ppl who were about to end their time here is now also infected with covid. If the number did not increase while infection rates were skyrocketing it would mean that less ppl died from covid then previously.

    This will continue to be a problem till one can actually determine if covid was the cause or not and i presume thats a long way off.

    Problem with that is that if we get a variant that will infect 100% of the population at the same time then all ppl who died will be filed as death with covid even if that particular variant perhaps is just a cold (not saying this one is btw). Statistics..

  • Excess deaths innit.

  • Yes that would be the best way to determine the actual count but not fool proof ofc.
    The chart that was discussed was the death after 28 days after possitive test hence my point. What does it tell us? Not much without a good mathematician with a lot more data.

    And there is no point in worrying over data that was expected and does not really say anything. For all we know it could be an indication that less ppl are dying from covid.

  • The chart that was discussed was the death after 28 days after possitive test hence my point. What does it tell us? Not much without a good mathematician with a lot more data.

    No, the very good mathematicians with access to a lot more data are telling us those charts clearly demonstrate we're in a really serious and shit situation.

    But feel free to think you can read them in any other such way although that smacks very much of "we've had enough of experts" viewpoint. Ultimately they do not need to prove their case to each and every person in the country for it to be true.

  • ...
    Statistics..

    My daughter is 12 and has a better grasp of statistics and causality than the utter shite posted above. Enough.

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