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  • While I wholeheartedly agree, currently I'd rather not line the pockets of tory donors with my taxes...

    Paying more when 22bn is being pissed away on a failed system while I still have to donate to food charities to prevent ignored folk from starving stings a touch.

  • I always vote left, but if I am perfectly honest it is nice to keep the £ myself. Especially with that awful pension system, the non existing benefits... if the tax rate would increase but health/benefits/pension would improve and bottom incomes would be raised, totally go for it!

    I think higher taxes should happen, but a big problem is that people don't trust the government not to waste it. Not sure I do.

    The alternative though is clearly that people just keep the money completely for themselves, so perhaps paying tax to a "wasteful" government is still better.

    And of course people could give it all away, but in reality that means me donating more and others just buying a bigger house :)

  • Christina Pagel, who has been pretty on the money with this so far, is basically saying if you open up this summer you create the perfect breeding ground for a vaccine resistant strain.

    I don't mean this in a snarky way, but not sure how to word it in a none snarky tone: What's the other option? Give millions of people a vaccine and tell them to stay indoors over the summer?

    The lockdown has to end at some point, and as the weather improves it will end, legally or not.

  • as the weather improves it will end, legally or not

    It hit 17 degrees here in Amsterdam last weekend and the rules went out the window.

  • Not sure there is a particularly viable other option - there certainly isn't a popular one -but that doesn't mean its not all going to go shit again and certainly doesn't mean scientists shouldn't point this out.

  • The lockdown has to end at some point, and as the weather improves it will end, legally or not.

    Indeed, the Government can't prevent people meeting up in parks/homes/etc, they can only police it, but they're still in control of the non-private indoor gatherings by means of continued closures of schools, non-essential retail, libraries, pubs, restaurants, sporting venues, etc. It's a very crude tool but it's all they have if the numbers start to climb alarmingly and large swathes of the population have no fucks left to give.

  • certainly doesn't mean scientists shouldn't point this out.

    I agree: absolutely does not and they should.

  • Yup - and a tool that should be used to respond to rising numbers, and not to keep the population in a perpetual state of limbo because of potential risks. It's that distinction that I worry about as a number of people seem to think that because the risk of numbers rising again is unknown/unquantifiable lockdown should keep going indefinitely.

  • Does Scotland have a similar road map to what was announced yesterday and if so where might I find it?

  • It's literally the top news item on the BBC News website right now.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-5­6170916

  • It’s not quite as clear it would seem

  • Has anyone on here had older friends/relatives/parents react incredibly badly to the vaccine?

    My parents (mid 70's) received the Pfizer vaccine nearly 6 weeks ago.
    My father didn't get anything worse than a sore arm, whereas my mother took ill in the evening of the injection and from then on presented what her GP said was the worst case of shingles they'd ever seen. Her symptoms worsened to the point she was taken to hospital for overnight observation two weeks back.
    The local GP was initially keen to get her notes passed to the vaccination centre has now said words to the effect, you may have this for a year, deal with it.

    Any medical types on LFGSS who can recommend a course of action for massively acute shingles? She was given an antiviral by the GP a few days after the vaccine reaction, but only painkillers thereafter.

    Happy to receive PMs if people would rather not reply here.

  • I am sorry to hear this. I hope she gets better soon!

  • Got a text saying it’s my turn to get the vaccine... a bit anxious about it really... might need to hold off for a couple of weeks after a potential job interview...

  • Coincidentally I stumbled across this article suggesting that Covid 19 might induce shingles flare ups in some people. Possibly due to raising stress levels.

    “It seems that COVID‐19 infection, as an acute illness with its associated physical and emotional stress, might represent the triggering factor for the development of HZO in our patients,”

    I'd assume you would be able to find a list of observed aide effects from the Pfizer trials somewhere. Not sure where to look though. No idea whether Covid vaccines have been found to trigger flare ups in shingles patients.

    https://www.drugtopics.com/view/covid-19­-and-herpes-zoster-co-infections-identif­ied

    EDIT: To be clear, I'm not a medical type. Just happened upon that article when reading about something else.

  • What is your anxiety around?

  • The potential side effects. I don’t respond well with a lot of meds etc. I know they are temporary, which is why I want to wait until I hear from a job app so I don’t end up “being ill” for an interview (If I am lucky).

    But I am glad I get the offer now, I have been reading up about when asthmatics will get the vaccines and there seem to have been some changes that if your asthma isn’t extremely severe then you are not a at risk group anymore, because we are not at any higher risk than a health person. I am 1 hospital stay away from having to shield because I have been careful... so maybe my GP did some work at the background?

    Also the meds we take apparently might offer some protection? I don’t know... I am all confused. So will be masking up and not going out much every after the vaccine and lockdown is over...

  • Your job interview is unlikely to be as important as getting your vaccine. I'd also hope the company would be amenable to delaying your interview for 24 hours should you feel a bit rotten like some people do.

  • Anecdotally, my friend who got covid very badly ~3 months ago and was knocked sideways is currently dealing with a horrible shingles flare-up.

  • I don’t respond well with a lot of meds

    Just think of the potential response to actual Covid and the meds they would have to give you if you became more than mildly ill. I understand your medical anxiety, a lot of family members are the same way. But this is one case where there has to be a lesser of two evils.

    Also, if you are felling rubbish, as @Stonehedge says, any company that wouldn't entertain delaying the interview is not one that I would want to work for.

  • My mum, 64, is sole carer for my Dad. She is terrified of the vaccine knocking her out for a day as she thinks she needs to be 100% to make sure my Dad eats, or she can help him if he has a fall. We've told her she is not solely responsible, we'd work something out if she does need to take a few days, but this is her anxiety. She is even more terrified of catching Covid, for the same reasons but the potential impact being greater, so she is sitting by the phone waiting for her call and checking the NI webiste every day. She has been offered slots, but the other side of the country. If she could drive herself, she would be there in a heartbeat. But my Dad just cannot drive that far due to his condition.

    She is not calling up trying to queue jump and she is not bitter about others getting theirs before her.

    If you are offered a vaccine and you are going/can take it, then take it. We do not have (or we should not think we have) the luxury of being able to pick and chose when it happens (barring exepction circumstances, of course. A job interview is not this). This must be a hard enough task for those trying to organise without having to move people around. If you're not going to take it, that's another discussion, but don't waste their time when they could be pulling more people in who desperately want it.

    This might sound overly harsh and it is not intended as a sole attack, but my piss is boiled more generally. For example, the NI booking site, for my Mum's age group, she is not actually eligible. But if she selects that she is a carer (which she is), then all of a sudden she can book. There are no checks for this, so everyone else in her age group has suddenly become a carer, is more tech savvy than her and has booked up all the slots.

  • Nearly 700k swabs tested by PHE in last seven weeks to survey prevalence of respiratory diseases in the population found exactly nil/zero/no positive tests for influenza and only 1 in the week before that.

  • Also, if you are felling rubbish, as @Stonehedge says, any company that wouldn't entertain delaying the interview is not one that I would want to work for.

    I kind of agree with you but some jobs have an interview date specified on the advert as that is when the interview panel are available so delaying it isn't possible. Tends to be for more senior roles.

  • I have been reading up about when asthmatics will get the vaccines and there seem to have been some changes that if your asthma isn’t extremely severe then you are not a at risk group anymore, because we are not at any higher risk than a health person.

    I got my invite yesterday and am booked for my first jab next Thursday. The only possible reason I got one is my non-severe asthma, so if that's true it hasn't taken effect yet.

    On your vaccine-related anxiety, worth remembering that about 18 million people have had it now. As far as I'm aware they're all essentially fine. Anecdotally all I've heard of so far is feeling crap/tired for a few days.

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