General Election 2019

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  • fighting between the centre and the left

    there's no "both sides" action here, the centre's intractability and obstinate refusal to align with leftist, progressive policy has delivered us to this point. this is as much on them as it is on the tories.

  • I haven't watched the Marr interview, but I've seen enough of Johnson not to have to bother. You take statements like this from Corbyn ...

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201­9/dec/01/jeremy-corbyn-uk-military-inter­vention-fuelled-radicalisation

    He will add: “The threat of terrorism cannot and should not be reduced to questions of foreign policy alone. But too often the actions of successive governments have fuelled, not reduced that threat.

    “Sixteen years ago, I warned against the invasion and occupation of Iraq. I said it would set off a spiral of conflict, hate, misery and desperation that will fuel the wars, the conflict, the terrorism and the misery of future generations. It did, and we are still living with the consequences today.

    “The war on terror has manifestly failed. Britain’s repeated military interventions in North Africa, the Middle East and South Asia have exacerbated, rather than resolved the problems.”

    ... and you can't help but conclude that Corbyn's a statesman and Johnson's an idiot.

  • A neighbour in his 70s, who’s just has a prostate op, told me today he’s going to vote Tory because Labour would ‘bankrupt the country’. I asked him what people meant when they said that, and he didn’t really have a clue.

    This is ‘up north’ in a marginal seat currently held by Labour.

    Old people are the absolute pits.

  • Try as hard as they can Javid and Patel will never be accepted by those whom they prostitute their every shred of decency to please.


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  • The media have been fighting the election since Gordon Brown(?). So depressing how people have picked up the soundbites without any critical thought.

  • Since before then. The media was arguably at its most influential when Major beat Kinnock in 1992.

    I thought perhaps newspapers had lost their sway but not so sure when I speak to older folks. The problem is there’s loads of them and they won’t die for ages.

  • Yeah that's about as far back as my memory goes in politics. Hopefully the web and the dying press should have an impact but the negative impact of how easy it is to falsify news now kinda balances that out.

  • And the greens in Stroud.

    Labour beat the Conservatives by 600 votes here last election and Labour are barely campaigning, like it's a done deal :-/

    It's all a bit worrying.

  • I just signed up to do some campaigning in Stroud.

    Fuck the greens (temporarily).

  • Lurking on this thread, but haven’t contributed to date.

    Just a note for those living outside the UK - postal vote forms arrived here in Japan, so I’m guessing others will be arriving imminently.

  • Mine was sent out on the 29th. Eagerly waiting.

  • I’ll also be posting back via tracked delivery to be as sure as I can it arrives in time/arrives at all (especially with Christmas fast approaching).

    Not ideal to have to foot the bill for that, but my seat is a close Con/Lib Dem seat and needs as much help as it can to keep the Conservatives out (even if that means keeping Tim Farron in 🤮).

  • The most liberal of the Lib Dem’s haha

  • Had this in the post this morning in Stroud.

    What looks like a Labour letter but telling you to vote Tory....


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  • Nasty widow in the fake red box too. pfffff...

  • And dreadful syntax.

    Where do the likes of Austin hope to end up? I can’t see them ever being embraced by the Tories and surely Labour would never welcome them back after this betrayal.

  • Where do the likes of Austin hope to end up?

    In the current climate? Probably face down in a ditch with a bullet through his head.

  • I wonder if he was up for deselection from the Labour Party anyway.

    Edit - actually a quick look at his Wiki page shows that his best days were behind him. He probably gives no shits now.

    He was appointed a political advisor to the Chancellor of the Exchequer (later Prime Minister), Gordon Brown, in 1999. He held the position until his election in 2005, and was known as one of Brown's closest lieutenants.

    In September 2019, Austin used his speech in the emergency debate proposed by Jeremy Corbyn to criticise him. Labour MPs on the benches around him told him to "go sit somewhere else" in anger at his comments.[35][36] Later in the month he attended the Labour Party conference with a large mobile billboard stating that Corbyn was unfit to lead the party or country.[37] In November 2019, Austin announced he would not stand in the December general election, and advised his constituents to vote for the Conservative Party in order to stop Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister.

  • So he’s doing it purely out of spite? Classic politician.

  • Possibly. Possibly he genuinely believes that a Corbyn government could be worse than a Tory government. On the face of it, it's a completely bonkers / scary play.

  • The 3 1/2 years since the Referendum have seen the Tory party clearly split apart, with the ERG openly defying a Tory PM. However, whenever a Tory was speaking to or writing for the media, there was always a consistent message, 'Corbyn is a Marxist'. Whether as a Tory you supported the One Nation concept or were a foaming brexiteur the plan was always for 'the Party' to retain power.
    During this election campaign, I have heard several low level Tories, Cleverly, comes to mind spouting the 'Labour wrecked the economy in 2009, and the Tories have delivered a decade of growth'. The interviewer never queries this. Where are the Continuity Blairites and Brownites correcting this assertion with the fact that Alastair Darling passed on a growing economy to the Coalition, and it was George Osbourne and his destructive policy of Austerity that drove the UK economy into a ditch?
    Oh, they are the likes of Ian Austin, who are now supporting the Tories.
    Only one party is playing to win this election.

  • FYI, if you do want to do some volunteering with Labour they've got an events page you can see what's going on: https://events.labour.org.uk/

    I've been away/back-and-forth most of last month, but going to try to get out in Chingford in the run up.

    There's this online training thing as well (no idea what it's about): https://events.labour.org.uk/event/30705­8

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