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  • The point on safe seats is a poignant one.

    That's one of the reasons I'd like to vote Green - it's hopefully an indicator to encourage policy change. But then if there is even a slim outside chance of LD taking it then feels like that's the way I should go.

  • You're missing a key point here. Hate speech is illegal. Organisations are legally required to act.

  • There's a solid principle there, but I'd favour realpolitik if I wanted to win an election.

    Also I think there is a difference when you are representing a party - the person and party are more interlinked than in a work environment.

  • And that law is a fucking nightmare. Totally open to abuse and only selectively applied because it’s it’s so vague.

  • Anecdotal but interesting (and hope bringing) if true:

    https://twitter.com/SussexGoddess/status­/1199835849099231232?s=19

  • These things will always eat Labour more than the Conservatives though, because social justice carries far more weight with members and voters and a higher standard is applied.

    There is nothing near a reliable standard (legally) on this stuff.

  • Sounds more like a lack of understanding of polling/sampling than anything else. I'm guessing Remainer Twitter-using political enthusiasts who are willing to respond to polls are not in short supply.

    Edit: just did a YouGov survey myself, as a remainer tactical vote person. It listed the candidates in my constituency as well.

  • I wonder what we’ll see in Northern constituencies if they’re the ones that deliver Johnson and his WTO Brexit and the direct consequences of that, which will fall hardest on them with for e.g. Nissan leaving?

    I was told by a chap in the Northeast (committed Brexiter of course) that “Labour isn’t the party of the working man, that’s the Tories these days”, which he says is a common view in his neighbourhood.

    I think Labour is now seen as a) what your dads generation voted for and b) now the party of the Metropolitan Liberal Elite (MLE).

  • They’re in for a fucking shock then. A wolf in sheep’s clothing will eat them alive.

  • I was told by a chap in the Northeast (committed Brexiter of course) that “Labour isn’t the party of the working man, that’s the Tories these days”, which he says is a common view in his neighbourhood.

    Any explanation as to how they arrived at that conclusion? Because that's pretty breathtaking stupidity, honestly. Do they really live in such a different reality?

  • Are we a direct democracy or a representative one?

  • Any explanation as to how they arrived at that conclusion? Because that's pretty breathtaking stupidity, honestly. Do they really live in such a different reality?

    Just look at the US. It's a good trick for a right-leaning business-friendly/owned party to do, convincing the less well off that they're the people for them.

  • And under Blair et al. Labour weren't exactly seen as the party of the working class, parachuting mps into safe seats from London rather than local trade union or labour party members.

  • In principle yeah, right-wing parties styling themselves as the 'party of the people' is not new, happens in Switzerland too with the 'Swiss People's Party' (SVP, which is anything from moderately conservative to quite right-wing depending on which people you look at). But I'd have thought that in the UK there are a few extra dynamics that would counteract this especially in the North, such as even more pronounced class differences (with posh vs non-posh people), and the clear lack of investment in the North for decades and decades - yes also under Labour, but especially under the Tories which after all have been in power for a majority of the time since the 80s. Not to mention the whole Thatcher / mining / etc. thing.

  • It's just a very coded way of admitting they're racist.

  • It’s ambiguous and depends who you ask.

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/art­icles-reports/2019/08/13/are-mps-elected­-exercise-their-own-judgement-or-do

    Now I’m popping off because this all feels a bit like work.

  • See for e.g. the Tea Party and so forth- there’s a reason the Right don’t like education for the common man.

  • https://twitter.com/drbenwhite/status/11­99766004005588992

    I have now spoken to the healthcare professional who wrote this and can verify it is a 100% true account of a recent Boris Johnson NHS visit. Please RT.

    Guy is a doctor with a verified tick who does ethics and law stuff...

  • Sure, I can see that not winning Labour any sympathy at all. I still struggle to see how anyone would then conclude that the Tories are 'the party of the working class' instead, though.

  • I think because they’re against scroungers, immigrants and tax, all things that the chap I have been talking about doesn’t like.

  • When growing up in the North East I think it was often people with a view that you have to work to get what you want. A mindset of scroungers on the dole taking my hard earned money why don't they just get a job like the rest of us kind of thing. It's everywhere in the country though I think and that's the problem. There's also a load of racists.

  • There's also a load of racists.

    And that sums up the last 3 years nicely.

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