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  • Saw a ridiculous delimited e-scooter doing something like 30mph down Sheen high street (20mph speed limit) swerving erratically around cyclists and cars.

    I think sensible e-scooters have a part to play, but this absurd arms race of bigger/ more powerful machines on our roads is just dangerous and depressing.

  • At some point it's a self-solving problem.

    Pot holes guarantee a very effective face-plant, and people may be less hesitant to ride them on public streets after their jaw is stitched back together.

  • That's not really what's going to happen. The ones I see racing down the Thames Path at night in groups wear protectors and full face helmets and can get some impressive air. Did people give up on BMX because someone fell off?

  • i shouted at a guy on a shared use path going full tilt around a bend and heading straight for me on my commute the other day.
    as with any mode of transport, it's not the scooters that are the problem, it's the dickheads

  • Did people give up on BMX because someone fell off?

    Missing teeth says no

  • This is more like what I saw, if not bigger. So can handle potholes. Rider was wearing full face helmet.

  • I'm in Brighton and these things (and Deliveroo mopeds) are a nightmare a few weeks ago i was absolutely goosing it along the coastal cycle lane at night and this shadow almost silently flew by me like I was going backwards. No lights not even a little LED. I checked my speed and i was doing 27mph so this thing must have been doing 35mph + i recently saw in the local paper the same guy had run a red light at a 3 way junction at morning rush hour. Caused a crash had his scooter confiscated and got a hefty fine £1000 i think. Seriously dangerous things in the wrong hands.

  • i mean, who do these ass-hats think they are?! fixie couriers from the 90's?!?!?
    ROFLMAOetc

  • This seems like a sad but unfortunately increasingly inevitable hit and run. Heal up cyclist.

    https://yorkmix.com/police-search-for-e-­scooter-rider-after-a-cyclist-was-seriou­sly-injured-in-a-collision-in-york/

  • All anyone needs to know about e-scooters is that they'll lead to a terrible drop in physical activity (by far the main problem), will mainly replace walking and cycling trips, will act as a complement to other forms of motorisation, and quite apart from the decrease in activity will lead to many more crashes. I've said this in much longer form in the OPs, but the upshot is that their use should not be permitted. It's just another bad decision by the current 'government', probably in exchange for party political donations and industry lobbying.

  • Nobody has a crystal ball, least of all one that can show the future impact of a new technology introduced into a complex behavioural and social system. Good things and bad things will surely emsue but the balance of them remains to be seen. The times they are a changin’.

  • So far the research has shown it's just been bad things though. How long do we let it go on before we see if something good happens?

  • What are those single wheel electric scooters called? You know the things I mean.

    We saw something genuinely mental while on a mountain sport trip in Switzerland.

    There was a group of five men, all putting their helmets and harnesses on. This in itself is not unusual, but they were doing it in a location where it wasn't obvious why they were kitting up. They were at the top of the Upper Theodul glacier and had no ropes so clearly weren't planning on crossing the glacier, or so we thought.

    Turns out that they each had one of those single wheel things. They mounted up and all five of them bombed all the way down the glacier from source to snout (joining the Furgg Gletscher about half way down) at about 20mph, hopping over crevasses and generally having an absolutely epic time. They didn't even seem to be troubled by the deep mud and boulder fields under the snout. Didn't get close enough to see if they had a studded tyre or not.

    Probably one of the most reckless but most fun mountain activities I've ever seen. I had no idea that those single wheel things could be that nimble and stable.

  • What research are you thinking of? Or do you mean there have been a number of adverse incidents with them to date?

  • It has been posted up thread I think.

  • Got it, thanks. The PACTS report. I think the main limitation there is that it is based on the early adoption experience of various countries. The tech is quite early stage, safety features and safety behaviour not established, the benefits and protections of mass adoption not considered.

    The significant barriers the mass of the public experience with cycling are difficult for us as forumengers to appreciate. We overcame them so long ago when we adopted the cycling lifestyle and integrated the necessary behaviours. Scooters remove many but not all of those barriers. We can expect to see many more people on two wheels if escooters become legal.

  • will mainly replace walking and cycling trips

    So do you think someone who has found a preferable way of making their journeys is more likely or less likely to decide they need a car?

  • Sorry, didn't see this. In London, a majority don't own cars and are unlikely to get any, especially in Inner London. (Outer London's different, of course.) The general effect of e-scooter use is simply to reduce active travel, as all the evidence shows. How that plays out in each individual case will be different from case to case, but if someone damages their fitness by reducing their activity through e-scooter use, then they'll certainly be likely to want to be motorised more. All forms of motorisation are complementary.

  • Came here to post this:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transpor­t/e-scooter-crashes-injuries-london-poli­ce-b958260.html

    It's obviously an unclear picture because we don't have any trip data, and the main problem remains reduced activity.

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