The Royal Parks Movement Strategy (closes today - 14 July)

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  • But it's not though is it?

    Of course not. hippy never gives up. :)

    #youmustbenewhere

  • Weekend bump for anyone who has missed, 2 more weeks to complete.

    I'm personally liking the idea of splitting the park up for motor vehicles. 1 entrance corresponds to 1 car park. It would even be cheap to trial with cones/bollards and I'm sure a clever method could be created that allows staff/emergency services and bikes to pass through safely.

    I feel like every other day a rat runner impatiently tries to pass me at stupid point
    and forces some very assertive riding.

  • Spent hours* on this, the red lines are car fee. They could even re-open Robin Hood gate to have 4 zones.

    *3 minutes

  • The overarching summary results of the questionnaire have been published.

    https://www.royalparks.org.uk/__data/ass­ets/pdf_file/0015/110940/SUMMARY-REPORT-­FINAL-1.pdf

    Unsurprisingly, drivers were the most negative to change.

  • IIRC poorer people actually drive more in London than rich ones, but I don't have a source for that.

    Richer people can afford to live closer to the places they work and frequent.

  • Rich people don't drive they are driven

  • I mean, they do have the best deal at the moment. The only thing that could improve their situation is banning cyclists and opening the gates 24/7 but you get the idea that's not on the table.

    Took them a while to summarise 4 questions...no indication of the timing for any recommendations... bureaucracy at its finest.

  • I'm fairly sure they first published this with a timeline stating implementation from January!

  • Could someone TL;DR the report please?

  • Could someone TL;DR the report please?

    Drivers are selfish cunts

  • Just install bollards that cyclists or smaller vehicles (mopeds, scooters, motorbikes) can zip through, but cars just can’t. Sort of how Hammersmith bridge is at the moment (currently you have to dismount to get on it...)

    Keep the car parks free and accessible, but free up the roads at the same time.

  • Personally I would like to see an implementation of a 'toll' in which drivers pay to get in with perhaps a peak and off-peak charge of say £3 and £1. Tracked by cameras at each gate reading number plates. Season tickets available etc. It's not the biggest change but at least the park could make some revenue from the sheer number of cars that use it and this money could be re-invested in making it more pedestrian/cyclist friendly and working on the infrastucture within the park that causes the jams in the morning.

    Obviously the real dream would be ban cars altogether but its just not practical. Plus i think there is some historic precedent with Richmond Park about it being public right of way etc so not sure what legal challenges can be put against any form of restrictions on motor vehicles.

    At the very least i would love to see a thorough study of pollution levels throughout the park at various times of day. Super easy to implement with pollution reader machines (very technical language i know) at each other gates/mini roundabouts just off the gates. Think that would paint enough of a bleak picture to get some kind of action going.

  • I'm pleasantly surprised ...i wasn't expecting this much.

  • You can now sign-up to share your views / stay updated on the 2020 Movement Strategy.

    https://www.royalparks.org.uk/managing-t­he-parks/park-strategies/the-royal-parks­-transport-and-movement-strategy

  • I think, I've not been through, that Richmond Park has implemented temporary barriers to stop rat running. Can't find anything formal online.

  • Richmond park update.. it doesn't state if the cut-through restriction for motor traffic is related to the movement strategy.

    https://www.royalparks.org.uk/parks/rich­mond-park/richmond-park-news/the-return-­of-cycling-to-richmond-park

    The details

    1. Cycling permitted for all cyclists at any time on weekdays
    2. All roads within the park have now been reopened to cycling
    3. Cyclists are permitted to use the shared access Tamsin Trail around the perimeter of the park on weekdays only
    4. Weekend cycling is currently for commuting keyworkers and under 12s
      with accompanying family only

    Please note we have also reopened a series of car parks on weekdaysand
    continue to restrict cut-through motor traffic to all but authorised
    vehicles.

  • Was in the park this morning, great to be able to do laps again. But the barriers/bollards they've put up on every roundabout don't make much sense to me at the moment. Quite dangerous in places e.g. at the bottom of a hill, funneling riders into a single channel that could potentially have people coming the opposite way into it...

  • I went through yesterday and there were a couple of cars ignoring the barriers and driving through anyway

  • Only family cycling at weekends is a nice touch, but think they should allow folks in for early or late laps (before 10am / after 6pm or something). Seems a shame to ban people when there will be hardly anyone there.

    The 12 year old cut off is a little extreme though. Imagine not being able to have a family cycle in a park because your youngest kid is 13. Can't be many families doing fast laps, so I'd have set this at 16 I think. It's tricky, they are basically cool with people pottering, but not the normal mamil invasion, but how do you set a rule to allow pottering only?

  • Post trial, a physical barrier for motor vehicles to enter/leave with a number plate reader are probably the only way people won't simply ignore the rat run rules.

  • The 12 year old cut off is a little extreme though.

    So long as you are obviously as a family I'm sure you wouldn't be stopped, better to set it to 13 and get 15,16 year olds than set it at 16 and get adults 'sneaking in'

    Just done a couple of laps, seemed a nice vibe mix of families who you wouldn't normally see and 'lycra's' not being overly aggressive.

    One thing I don't get is the people walking in the middle of the road, it doesn't really bother me, just slow down and safely overtake but surely the grass or trails is nicer?

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The Royal Parks Movement Strategy (closes today - 14 July)

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