A.S. Gillott owners & appreciation club

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  • Another life for an old Gillott

    If you look back at posts 31, 33, 38 etc. in this thread you will see the large blue Gillott which I prepared for my son as a hack bike. Times have moved on and he has discovered an interest in touring - he has a fairly modern Jamis road bike, but for various reasons this is not really suitable for touring.

    The old Gillott was not being used for the original purpose, so I've re-converted it back to gears. The kit is not the best possible, but it's something for him to start with. We'll have to see whether he really uses it and then decide on improvements. It will be interesting to see if the gearing proves adequate - I've used 45/32 chainrings and 14 - 24 five speed block. This may sound unsophisticated but I think a reasonably fit young person should be able to climb almost anything with that 35" bottom gear.

    I do like the fact that this sixty year old frame is still a desirable basis for a practical machine in 2022.

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  • Very nice set up love the chainset. I hope it works out for him.
    I thoughtt the cotter pin went in from the top, with the drive side crank at 2pm. I notice yours is opposite to my method.

  • There is a long standing controversy about which way round cotter pins should go. I've come across various theories involving the likelihood of the pins breaking or being forced out of position by the force of pedalling.

    I am now pretty well convinced that the only thing that matters is that they have to be opposite ways round (obvs). I say this because I have become aware that the English method is 'crank forward, nut upwards' whereas the continental method is the opposite. This not a brexit issue because both ways work.

    The chainset is TA Cyclotouriste rings on a Milremo crank. I favour the TA rings because I've used them most of my cycling life and because they can be combined with any five pin crank. This bike happened to come with steel cranks so it was easier (and cheaper) to keep them. The Milremo crank is not the highest quality, but it works OK - if the bike does get a lot of use in this form I'll look for something better.

    In the fifties it was common to combine steel cranks with aluminium rings, even though steel cranks are significantly heavier. This may have been for economy, cotterless ali cranks were expensive, but I think it's more likely that it was mistrust of the reliability of ali. One often used to hear of the pros resisting change because they preferred to stick with what they knew - disc brakes were a recent example.

  • What a lovely Gillott that! I'm sure your son will enjoy it.

    I'm guessing those are 28mm tyres fitted. Is there enough clearance for 32mm with mudguards?

    I also really like that luggage rack with the lower pannier level for more stability and the play of rounded and angular tubing design on top. Vintage racks like that must be hard to come by, I'm sure.

  • Great read as uusual @clubman thanks.
    I have fitted a fair few of these cottered cranks now and i always end up having to experiment and play around with them to find the best fit.
    Ive come to really appreciate them now and find them very effective and once set up properly very reliable and consistent, its also nice that one tool fits all, ie a hammer.!

  • Took mine out for a ride this afternoon, Lovely

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  • Indeed lovely, i particularly like the chainset.

  • I fitted a headtube/handlebar water bottle cage to my path frame that i took and rode in Scotland, as that is all I had at the time.
    I do have a few downtube cages but they were attached to other bikes.
    an equivalently aged downtube cage would probably have cost a lot more especially trying to source at short notice, I much prefer the downtube versions as they are much easier to fit and it doesn't make for such a cluttered and busy cockpit.

    Cluttered cockpit with modern and essential paraphernalia.
    The cage is attached via jubilee clips to the handlebars which hold the cage tight but seem to get in the way of your hands and do not make for a comfortable riding position.

    Double cage with the same jubilee attachment method.

    I did away with the jubilee clips and held the cage in place using cotton bar tape. Wrapped the cotton with string to hold it in place and then shellacked the lot. I was worried it might fall to bits on the road but its held up well.

    I love using the shellac as it makes the tape waterproof and i just find the feel warm and comfortable.
    The only down side is that you always end up with the same colour tape once its painted. The bar tape here was a light blue originally.

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A.S. Gillott owners & appreciation club

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