CS9 Kensington to Brentford public consultation closes Oct 31st

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  • The consultation is here: https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/c­s9/?cid=cs9

    Closes: 31st October 2017

    Provide feedback here: https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/c­s9/consultation

    The route is good, but some of the changes are not great. However, as an overall thing it is far more good than bad.

    The larger version of the image below is available here: https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/c­s9/user_uploads/cs9-overview-map-whole-r­oute-1.pdf


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  • Must be better than the CS3 section East Whitechapel to Stratford which is dire. A bus lane there would be better

  • Will read the Consultation document this evening.
    I notice the LB Hounslow portion is all in the future.

  • This one is surprisingly well-thought out.

    The only bits I have major concern with are:

    • Chiswick High Road Eastbound at Heathfield Terrace - how does one go from the carriageway on the North side to the segregated cycleway on the South side?
    • Kew Bridge Southbound junction where the South Circular hits Kew Bridge - it looks from the plans that the segregated cycleway is unsegregated at that point except by paint, but this is where cars hoon it down that bit in a race to be first at the merge point on Kew Bridge... it would mean cyclists going from full segregation into the side of a fast moving carriageway on a corner.

    The first concern needs some consideration.

    The second could be solved with those little mini-kerbs with gaps between that can be bolted into the carriage way and help to hold traffic back from a segregated space.

    Overall... this is good. I go this way daily, I would actually use it.

  • Oooh... sneaky.

    I've found a junction that they really haven't considered very well.

    The Chiswick High Road and Chiswick Lane junction.

    The Westbound turning Southbound flow of traffic is phased to start earlier than purely Westbound, and it looks like this whole junction will need re-phasing to permit Westbound cycle traffic.

    However in the past, holding back the left-turning vehicles backs up Chiswick High Road all the way to Goldhawk Road (happens today too, but knock-on effect used to be worse).

    That one junction is probably the key to the whole of CS9... it could totally foul up Westbound traffic from Hammersmith as no-one will be able to clear this junction in adequate time if cycles are going straight at the same time as traffic. The only solution to that is to reduce flow and phase cyclists at a different period, but this would result in cyclists filtering into traffic to jump the junction and would be worse than today as now the cyclists would filter into the left-turning traffic.

  • Cs2? Cs3 runs east west to canary wharf.

    Cs2 is a mixed bag , and bus lanes are not cycle provision whatever Vince the clown thinks

  • yes CS2 definitely a mixed bag (bad).

    Mostly bad.

  • Yep, got a notification via the Hounslow CC...will do.

  • Bit odd the use of Watermans park for westbound cyclists...it's not that big of a park and not sure what they want to build in there, also it goes up and down at both entrances. Unless they plan to remove the wall and use the 'upper part' of the park.

    In general happy to see most of it being one-way segregated cycle ways. I disliked the two ways one a lot. Very dangerous with the way we ride in London (aggressive and fast riding)

  • The whole of the Watermans complex and centre is being flattened and re-built, I noticed the absence of anything within those plans regarding the park, and this goes some way to explaining why.

    On that stretch though... I would very happily take an up and a down to be out of that tight and fast carriageway.

  • Also... I would not be surprised to learn that they're billing the work at that end to Watermans.

    Would not be surprised if they're billing the work from Kew Bridge to behind Gunnersbury to the Brentford stadium works.

  • Kew Bridge Southbound junction where the South Circular hits Kew Bridge - it looks from the plans that the segregated cycleway is unsegregated at that point except by paint, but this is where cars hoon it down that bit in a race to be first at the merge point on Kew Bridge... it would mean cyclists going from full segregation into the side of a fast-moving carriageway on a corner.

    Not sure, it's a blue line, which means segregated, which, I assume, means independent traffic lights to avoid collisions. I assume cyclists will have their own green light. Which would be amazing.

  • Yeah I think we'll see some major changes around Watermans too, as the whole centre is being moved from there indeed.

    But I see a segregated cycle track for westbound cyclists there (that ends at the gas station, when the bus lane starts, to end again at the Kew Bridge jct)...quite surprised.

  • It's a shame the Hounslow CC is meeting this Thu and I'll be flying in from abroad and can't go :-(
    The agenda is exactly this. Anyone else going there?

  • What/Where/When is Hounslow CC?

  • Hounslow Cycling Campaign September Meeting will be held on Thursday 28th at 7.30 at the Crown and Anchor Chiswick High Road - A Cycle Superhighway No 9 Special

    We are going to devote the HCC September meeting to CS 9 and the agenda will simple be :

    1. Plan HCC's most productive process to achieve CS 9
    2. Gather and allocate resources (including who will do what)
    3. Agree and record HCC's position on CS 9
    4. Agree an HCC response pro forma
    5. Any other business
    6. Review TfL's proposed drawings of the Hounslow sections of CS 9 (we
      have made this the last item to allow us spend sufficient time on
      the HCC plan.)
  • I can go to that.

    Is there super-secure cycle parking at the Crown and Anchor (for the Robin Mather)?

  • Nope. There's on street parking, but it's Chiswick High Road and loads of pedestrians around (Waitrose and other shops), so I think that in the evening at those times, should be safe.

  • I shall take lots of locks (and an alarm).

  • :-) good idea

  • Buy a beater.

  • This is my beater!

  • Isn't that what the seven was for?

  • If you need to lock it, it's not a beater.

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