• they consider to be a perfectly sound car

    Which car

  • I know the UK air is bad, but just stopped off at HK and OMFG it’s really terrible here. The humidity and pollution is so bad that you generally can’t see more than a mile or two in front of you :/

  • A car that's ten years old, runs well but doesn't meet the emission standards required of a vehicle inside the emission zone. In their view there's nothing wrong with the car .

    As I said, this may be bad politics. If you want to be Mayor you need to win in Zone 3 and 4.

  • A car that's ten years old, runs well but doesn't meet the emission standards

    isnt that the whole point though?

  • It is and I support the proposal. It may, however, be a vote loser.

  • It is and I support the proposal. It may, however, be a vote loser.

    It won't make much difference in the council estate where I live.

    We are inside the zone and there are hundreds of 20 year old cars cluttering the place up.

    But as none of them ever move they will be exempt from the charge.

  • Many city dwelling folk have a car they use very occasionally (doesn't make financial sense to have latest car and only use it 5 times a year), usually to get straight out of city to somewhere else , feel like taxing the crap out of these folk is a bit shitty myself, especially when your big pollutants (ancient bad condition taxi) are almost exempt.

    Will be lots more number plate theft off modern cars I think, esp modern cars with private plates. If only to get out of ulez zone then put your normal plates back on ;)

  • About to be launched:


    As with the Congestion Charge previously, the questions include whether the charge is high enough (the CC was not), how long it will take for businesses to pass it on to their customers, and whether TfL's predictions are accurate (as they only expect a 5% reduction of vehicular traffic, it is to be hoped that they are too low, at least initially--with the CC, the effect in the first few days was dramatic, but it soon became business as usual, which I expect to be the case with this charge, too). Also, how long will it take for polluting vehicles to be replaced? Obviously, the whole thing is a bit of a fillip for the promotion of electric cars.

    Needless to say, it'll also be interesting to see if there will be such a marked increase in cycling as there was with Congestion Charging--although a lot of that was due to the return of the Shoreditch Triangle to two-way operation.

  • Anecdotally I know a few people in kennington who are finally going car free due to the charge.

    They didn't drive much anyway, but it'll stop their old bangers from littering the street as they gently rust to pieces.

  • Yes, let's hope more people will think this way.

    There will, however, inevitably be a good deal of 'fleet renewal', replacing less advanced inappropriate technology with slightly more advanced inappropriate technology.

    I expect most of the to-be-expected shift will be towards public transport, which might go a little way towards reversing falling public transport passenger numbers--but other trends, such as 'stay at home', might continue. It'll be interesting to watch--well, if you're interested in that sort of thing.

    One of the most important things will be for the charge to keep up with the times. I haven't read much about it yet, so don't know how or if they're proposing to do that.

  • So, inevitably, the worst company raises prices first (unless someone else has already done it on the quiet), passing the cost on to the consumer:


    Always worth remembering that the Standard is edited by Osborne, who works for BlackRock, which has a vested interest in Uber, hence probably the heavily euphemistic article.

  • Interesting to see that Blue Badge holders won't be exempt from this.

    I know a couple of people who probably do fewer than 500 miles a year but would fall afoul of this. Not entirely sure what their option would be, taxi I guess.

    Any particular reason why black cabs are exempt?

  • presumably to prevent howls of outrage, destruction of sacred london tradition, blah, blah. Likely to slow the terminal decline of the humble black cab

    TfL predict ULEZ will knock about 5% of traffic out of central london and I'm inclined to believe them. It is a good start. Extending it to the North/South Circular is quite radical and, i believe, will have an even greater impact.

  • I took an Uber to the airport this morning from about 50 feet inside the ULEZ.

    The charge included a £3.05 clean air fee and a £1 central London fee.


    It will certainly put me off using Uber unless absolutely required which means it's working I suppose.

    (For clarity - I support the ULEZ and think the fees should be higher.)

  • Most of Uber drivers use Prius or other hybrids, which are exempt to congestion, t charge and ulez. I'm a bit confused why they charge extra.

  • You could always ask them to pick you up from just outside the zone. Or not use Uber, because they have appalling ethics in just about every way.

  • Drivers who repeatedly leave their engines running while parked could receive instant fines under proposals being considered by the government to give local authorities more power to reduce pollution.


  • This is either someone very wealthy or someone who hadn't got the message:


    Or, I suppose, someone driving a stolen car for months ...

  • Has there been much said about how people are expected to charge electric cars?
    Will it be permissible to have a cable suspended over a foot path I've not seen this anywhere yet.

  • The lack of charging infrastructure is, of course, a well-known problem. For the most part, charging at home is only really available to those with private off-street car parking. You definitely shouldn't run a cable across the footway.

    At the moment, everything is in a sort of floating pilot stage. The car industry hasn't fully committed to electric cars yet, alternative fuels like LPG are being used by some, and there's no proper regulatory environment. It'll be a while.

    Meanwhile, as with every 'innovation', there's the obvious risk that electric car use could 'greenwash' high energy usage in individual mobility and even increase it. It won't be a solution; the only solution is to reduce energy usage.

  • I think its going to need to be addressed pretty quickly.
    Many cold countries charge or keep the battery live, running a cable over/ across footpaths. Best to work out how this is best done ahead of a surge of ownership.

  • Will it be permissible to have a cable suspended over a foot path I've not seen this anywhere yet.

    It's been seen on Angry Pedestrian Twitter.

    I think the expectation is you'll fast charge it during journeys, same as with a petrol car. Some councils are flooding residential areas with slow chargers to allow people to top up near home, but usage of those seems pretty minimal from what I've seen.

  • Ha sadly I can’t find that in twittersphere

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The London 'Toxicity Charge' / 'T-charge' / Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ)

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