EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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  • I spent a bit of time in the free port in Panama (the Colon Free Zone) and it's a weird place.

  • I’m not sure why but in my minds eye I’m seeing District 9

  • We're in Austria. Spent a few days shopping online for a used camera costing £380. Considered shops in Austria, Germany and Italy but ended up deciding on a package from a UK seller. Was just about to go ahead with the purchase and found out there's a £93 import tax charge.

    How are UK exporters dealing with this?!

  • They're not?
    I won't by from UK anymore. Or if I have to I ship to a UK person and get then to bring it out when they do.

  • They are not, small exporters that sell a lot of lower value items to the EU are struggling or gone.

    Or in norn ire and hanging on.

  • How are UK exporters dealing with this?!

    Setting up branches or distribution centres in the EU or giving up on EU exports entirely.

  • https://www.theguardian.com/politics/202­2/aug/06/britons-portugal-post-brexit-id­-cards?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    35K brits still waiting on leave to remain cards for Portugal, causing lots of problems. FFS Portugal...

  • My new bike frame is stuck in customs because they put a mech hanger and a brake mount on the invoice at €0.00 and this apparently isn’t possible to clear for customs.

  • Like a lot of articles in the Guardian about these topics it's very vague. It looks like the Portuguese government has or had a plan with the temporary documents and the downloadable QR code. It's not really elaborated why it's not recognized and it's more than the online only
    like in the UK.
    They also say previous EU residency documents are accepted until the new ones are issued. Did none of the people in the article have any previous residency documents?
    The couple trying to use utility bills in Germany was cute.

    In a slightly odd development my wife got her pre-settled status after only 19 month but as a non EU citizen she also received a residency card which as I understand EU citizens don't get.

  • Yep we get no cards and the 3million have pushed for this for ages. It is causing problems for people, if you have a grumpy immigration officer or an airline company that only accepts a card on their system, good luck....

    You are right about details, but I am willing to accept there's a problem seeing all the hassle here. Bureaucracy done badly with nasty immigration officers is a recipe for misery.

    Also 19 months??? Wow. Hope she feels a bit more secure. Btw there is a court case to try to force the HO to automatically convert to pre euss to full euss status.

    But there's still a huge euss backlog. Still waiting on my UK citizenship decision it's been...one year and 6 months now. Come on people...COVID is over, no? ;)

  • My understanding is most People wouldn't have bothered with residency cards as we had freedom of movement so a UK passport was sufficient.

    They all voted Brexit and then didn't sort out their paperwork. Boohoo.

  • I think they are just moving people between departments to deal with the extra work created by Brexit while the government want to cut staff numbers.
    1 year and 6 months is 18 month so that's pretty much the same epic wait....any time now.
    We haven't been able to travel outside the UK while waiting so we went to Bristol for a week
    and the letter from the HO arrived while we were away.
    Maybe you have to book a British holiday to prove your love to the country.

  • The people in the article are younger and still working so not the stereotypical pensioner.

    Edit: haha, just had a look at a documentary about a British pensioner
    https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/088542-000­-A/a-british-pensioner-in-portugal/


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  • We holidayed in Northern Ireland, that's not British enough I fear :p

    Cutting staff numbers while passport, driving license and visa systems are falling apart...the work is there!

  • Like Le Pen voters with "I don't think she will implement her racist plans...only the plans I like".

    People...! :)

  • Re the Portugal thing... why should the Portuguese rush just to satisfy a few Brits? It was the British who decided to leave the EU, not the other way around, so I can totally understand that other (EU) countries aren't going to be in a massive rush to deal with the consequences. Presumably they have other priorities and will get around to it eventually. And I imagine there are plenty of Portuguese who immigrated to the UK prior to Brexit who are still being messed around with paperwork in the UK.

    As for Le Pen voters: I don't agree with her politics but I know plenty of people who are left wing yet voted for her in the Presidential elections earlier this year in France. The argument that she wouldn't be able to implement her racist plans is/was actually a reasonable one - but requires some knowledge about how the French political system works to understand (and I don't claim that I fully do). Let's just say, it's perhaps similar to if the UK had elections for the Queen or King - that person wouldn't be able to just do what they want without the support of Parliament (except perhaps in very limited fashion), so even if they were an out-and-out racist (wasn't it Harry who went to a party in a nazi uniform??) it quite possibly wouldn't mean much unless they also had all their followers filling Parliament.

  • I don't like seeing individuals suffer because of shit like Brexit, while I'm still upset over it I don't wish this on other ordinary people. If the English government goes low, so what, go high. We are all just small people.

    The Brits in Europe & the 3million here have to fight for everything sadly.

    Now if Boris Johnson dies in a ditch as promised and Jacob Rees Mogg gets swallowed by his top hat and Cummings develops a conscience to be tormented by the rest of his life ... ;)

    My also left French husband isn't convinced by the she couldn't do her racist stuff argument. No great love for Macron either but he doesn't trust the argument she could not do damage.

  • The Brits in Europe

    Spain rolled out he red carpet and welcomed everyone. I've had my ID card for over a year now. I've not had to fight for anything, but been treated with respect and kindness.

  • Luxembourg is more or less the same. A bit of “What the fuck were your people thinking” but other than that all good.

  • France was, well, disorganised and French (whizzy new driving licence exchange website predictably crashed on day 1 and was shelved until they changed some laws so that valid uk licences were accepted, Carte de Séjour applications were dealt with from the top of the pile so early applicants were done last of all) but in the end everyone who wanted a Carte de Séjour got one.
    With some areas of rural Dordogne and Charente being 50% British I suppose that’s a lot of spending power France didn’t want to lose.

  • The people in the article are younger and still working so not the stereotypical pensioner.

    Edit: haha, just had a look at a documentary about a British pensioner

    Joe, the main interviewee, is shown as 64 so, although he might be receiving some personal or occupational pension income, it's doubtful whether he is getting any UK state pension.

    So, he retired early, relocated to Portugal and voted for Brexit.

    Presumably, he got the Brexit he didn't vote for (tm).

  • You might be thinking of the clip I linked but I meant the Guardian article posted above that mentions a programmer and a pilot.

  • Same as Skinny, we arrived before Brexit and the Spanish government in Valencia made it very easy for us to trade our blue paper EU cards for a full on biometric photo ID. They even reserved kiosks at then immigration offices for UK citizens.

    One thing I did notice though, which means I do read these articles with some scepticism, is how many people we knew who just did not get there shit together and learn the requirements. What took us 30 minutes took some days, just cos we prepped. And the Spanish civil service do not take lightly to time wasters.

    So many Brits thought they’d be able to keep on cruising through immigrant life, paying no tax and using healthcare through their EU card. And when they had to make it official, they were missing so many documents and covering shit up.

  • Closest call we had was switching our driving licence, 8 days before the deadline.

    There was no way I wanted to have to retake a driving test over here.

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