EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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  • As I understand a dammit clone for each role would solve this.

  • MS Teams?

  • Not quite, that's a basic understanding. It gets more nuanced. You don't need to be in UK 181 days.But ultimately if you pay tax on UK then you can claim double taxation agreement and if you spend too many days in France you'd simply pay the % due above UK rate. Though if you're in France less than 181 days you can avoid that. But you can't have residence and not be a tax payer. So if you want to be french resident you'll need to pay double taxation agreement to keep it. You can spend less that 181 days in UK and be a taxpayer if you meet their 'ties test'.
    I looked into this a lot for my wife, before she said fuck it and quit.

  • This. Procurement and finance need to get their heads out of their arses.

  • France also has a cross border working sort of situation (might be location specific, as we're in a big cross-border working area) where you can work up to 29 days per year from "home" without incurring taxes in France. Social care (ie medical, pension etc) kicks in at 50%.

    However all of it is self declared so it becomes a matter of how honest you want to be. That said, if @Dammit is getting a visa to live and work in France, I assume the tax authorities would assume that they would be paid by the local office and paying normal income tax so UK residence would be the exception not the rule.

    On citizenship, Luxembourg is 5 years residency but with a fun language exam thrown in. Nobody NEEDS to speak Luxembourgish here as if you speak French or German as well as English it's rare to find a situation that you can't handle (kids leave school speaking all 4 languages to a good level so anyone below 40-ish will manage to communicate). I absolutely appreciate the wish to keep the language alive but it's led to a lot of language courses designed for (mostly) Brits to pass the exam but not actually speak Luxembourgish. I'm learning, but more for "fun"/integration as I have an EU passport anyway.

  • https://www.theguardian.com/politics/202­2/jun/23/labour-unveil-plans-to-seek-lim­ited-changes-to-brexit-deal

    I guess it's something.

    They can forget about financial equivalence not gonna happen, the rest are positive and realistic steps.

  • ^^ Work is looking at/starting the process of getting me a Shengen visa simply to avoid the potential for hitting the 90 in 180 limit, although I'm a little unclear as to whether this will work as expected. We shall see.

  • They really cannot think of any benefits can they?

    https://nitter.net/LBC/status/1540247376­866295809

  • Six years on and it's been nothing but project fear = project reality.

    And thousands of fellow mainland EU born nationals in the UK are still stuck in EUSS limbo, the backlog is massive.

    And how the Tories smiled end of 2019 when they defeated Labour's amendment to make it a voluntary status so that people wouldn't end up with problems renting, getting jobs and benefits...

    It is still a political mess in Northern Ireland as well, this was supposed to make things better, but in the end it was often just a vote from people against people they don't like (immigrants or "the middle class" well the English class system does suck enormously seen from here) with zero honesty about how every plan will also have downsides.

  • https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/no­rthern-ireland/leading-brexiteer-donates­-30000-to-tuv-but-dup-silent-on-claim-th­ey-got-the-same-amount-from-him-41809785­.html

    Donating money to political parties, no news
    Brexiter donating it wanting to can our (dysfunctional yes) local Stormont government.
    Well, wtf. Take back control but not for us eh?

  • Labour unveil plan to make Brexit work which doesn't involve rejoining SM/FOM or CU.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/202­2/jul/04/labour-keir-starmer-vows-cut-re­d-tape-not-unpick-brexit

    I'd rather them be brave on this but they've clearly got polling which indicates the way forward on this is painfully slow. Here's their starter for ten:

    Improve trade between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK by eliminating most border checks. This would be done by a new veterinary agreement for agri-product trade, and a system for low-risk goods to enter Northern Ireland without checks.
    Other proposals would include a scheme for the mutual recognition of professional qualifications with the EU and a new policing and security arrangement with Brussels.
    While stressing Labour did not want a return to freedom of movement, the plan would also include the idea of “flexible labour mobility arrangements” for people making short-term business trips between the UK and EU, and for musicians and artists embarking on tours.

  • “flexible labour mobility arrangements” for people making short-term business trips between the UK and EU, and for musicians and artists embarking on tours.

    The Roger Daltrey "I didn't think this one through" wanker clause.

  • If they negotiate as adults with the EU, at least it will calm down the NI protocol hassle.

    It's a funny thing nurses etc. now come from even further, often on shitty agreements that mean people have to pay an agency if the change job.

    But if they even make a peep about freedom of movement the "totally not racist(TM)" brigade will bring down a shittonne of hassle on them.

    Still labour will be less awful on immigrants rights though.

  • If they negotiate as adults with the EU, at least it will calm down the NI protocol hassle.

    Nah. The ERG Tories and Farage types won't let it lie. They'll bad-mouth the EU to try to undermine any prospect of an adult conversation. Maybe not with named quotes. But there'll be all sorts of shite come out.

  • True, but since trade negotiations are only under the control of the government...and not Westminster f all they can do that if labour wants to negotiate :) edit: if they are in government obv.

    The "take back control" shoe will then be on the other foot and what are they going to do about it, the EU doesn't care if such gossip comes from that lot. Right now it's the ones in power that refuse to stand up to it.

    But yeah the media shitstorm will be something. But doubt the EU cares about the erg nastiness.

  • My take would be - not to underestimate how much personal jibes will piss them off. Surely it will grate on even the most experienced negotiator after a while. Individual EU governments will also pressurise the negotiation teams if they cop shit from our press.

    (edited to sound less patronising, which it wasn't meant to be - sorry)

  • Labour unveil plan to make Brexit work which doesn't involve rejoining SM/FOM or CU.

    Not sure what elese Labour could do at this point. Polls show that national regret regarding Brexit increases with every week that passes. I suppose they're hoping that by the time they are in a position to change anything, they will have even more support for the SM and CU.

    Interesting to see that the Conservative party social media accounts are out in force screaming about how Starmer wants to undo Brexit in response to this.

  • Well, have to agree everybody is looking very annoyed. Not sure how negotiators get through their days, bar a "it's not personal it's just business" mantra, to be repeated every 5 seconds? :)

    But with Johnson&co gone and Starmer not going to threaten to break agreements, a "lookit, just ignore them and focus on mutual interests" may work. With Ukraine the EU can use some help as well, though what can the UK offer? But perhaps there is something.

    But yes agreed some individual countries are VERY annoyed, this whole crap pissed off the Dutch government and it's rare for us to lose our temper when it can be "just business, let's focus on mutual interests". I guess Ireland (Rep of) is used to this level of aggravation from experience, but there was a mutual ROI/Germany letter about the lawbreaking...em law RE the NI protocol going through parliament.

  • Interesting to see that the Conservative party social media accounts are out in force screaming about how Starmer wants to undo Brexit in response to this.

    It's exactly what he's got to be wary of isn't it. The Tories would love nothing more than for Starmer to go too far with this and (effectively) grant them permission to run the next election along culture war / Brexit lines. I actually don't think it'd be the magic bullet they hope it would be - the passion has gone out of the Brexit debate - but it's certainly the strongest card they have in their deck.

    I'm looking at this as one step away from Brexit / culture war / trade war with the EU / posturing nonsense, and one step toward pragmatic working toward solutions in good faith. And that's a step worth taking.

  • https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/no­rthern-ireland/european-commission-launc­hes-four-legal-procedures-against-uk-ove­r-ni-protocol-41860117.html

    VAT, data sharing...nope, not done.

    The snag is for Labour (if they win next GE) that implementing everything (like GB checks for imports) will be a nightmare and people will then complain.

    At the same time a lot of "that's project fear!" types now accept the reality. No doubt the Tory media will attack labour over the customs mess.

  • https://www.theguardian.com/politics/202­2/jul/26/british-wine-wholesaler-leave-u­k-over-post-brexit-paperwork?CMP=Share_A­ndroidApp_Other

    If you don't like the UK why don't you move??!
    Wine wholesaler: Ok bye, France will get my corporation tax money then.

  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-i­reland-62311532

    Now the lord's committee wants the grace period for NI made permanent as implementation even with EU compromise is too damaging for trade.

    You really couldn't make this up... Be nice for us here if the EU agrees but also absurd as this was all agreed upon.

    Edit reported completely different here..no mention of that, but only if working with the EU

    https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/no­rthern-ireland/protocol-has-created-feas­t-or-famine-economy-in-northern-ireland-­41870489.html

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