EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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  • This seems like another completely avoidable cock-up:­1/sep/09/brexit-pre-settled-status-eu-na­tionals-in-uk-face-losing-out-on-jobs-an­d-housing

    I still think it's nonsensical not to issue paper certificates. This 'on-line everything' tendency (mostly for short-sighted perceived 'convenience', the easiest way to getting yourself exploited, not that people have a choice here) worries me immensely. I consider it massively risky, it destroys jobs, and increases unsustainable transportation (in the case of on-line ordering, which everyone should avoid doing as much as they can).

  • This seems like another completely avoidable cock-up 💯

    Nobody else is getting online proof of status, only EUSS holders...they just wanted to try it without a transition period.

    Re everything online: I don't like going to Tesco feels like a waste of time. And people are in the way, I can't find things...

    My local Spar gets lots of footfall though. And the food specialty shop is another one I just visit as it's FUN.

    My favourite clothing shop often only has the items I want's a nice shop though. The only remaining bookstore is very good too and nice to browse.

    TL:Dr I agree with you but many shops just suck, the experience is mwah.

    Small (niche) shops are actually the way forward I think.

    And Amazon can f off.

  • I do buy groceries in shops but I can't think of anything that I bought recently that would be available in a local shop.
    It's easy to forget that the success of online was made possible by most physical shops being awful. All the electronic shops on Tottenham Court Road were garbage and it's good that they are gone.
    In London "shop" usually means part of some chain anyway.

  • Flagship Samsung store on Oxford St...

    hippy: "Do you have any XCover 4s?"
    salesfuck: "What's an XCover 4"
    hippy buys Samsung XCover 4 online and receives it in a day or so.

    Shops are just another place to catch Covid.

    But this online only EUSS thing is fucking jokes.

  • Needed plasterboard. It's now coming from Gyproc France... Makes sense, no customs hassle getting it into ROI / NI.

  • Fairtrade / ethical clothing is impossible to get here in Belfast town

    Only places are shirtmakers.

    So got community clothing stuff for mini Westland, UK made from EU spun fibers.


    “I am actually really pleased this has all come to a head – the big retailers and, by default, the big haulage firms and logistics companies have had it far too easy for far too long when it comes to transport costs,” the haulier told The Loadstar.

    “There is a global driver shortage because of poor treatment, and it’s all becoming apparent. There are exceptions, Amazon, Hermes, Waitrose and Warburton are good payers.”

    The haulier said the match that “blew open” the lid on the lack of European drivers was lit by an EU law change preventing the weekly 45-hour rest requirement being taken in cabs, and imposing a “return-to-base” rule, requiring drivers to return home every four weeks.

    Prior to this, he said, some drivers would accept reduced hourly rates in exchange for unlimited hours, but the new rule meant poor rates and treatment “was no longer worth it”.

    Doesn't sound like just a UK issue.

  • Where would it normally come from?

  • Doesn't sound like just a UK issue

    The rest of Europe isn't suffering from lack of goods though. Sure, my package from bike discount is taking a couple of extra days but that's as far as it goes at the moment. The reality, though, is that paying drivers a fairer wage is not going to add that much to the cost of driving a truck from, say, southern Italy to Scotland compared to fuel, insurance etc. Hauliers assumed for years that there was a plentiful supply of people from Eastern Europe for them to screw over so they did but that has to change. If that means 5p on a can of beans, so be it.

  • Hauliers assumed for years that there was a plentiful supply of people from Eastern Europe for them to screw over.


  • Gutter press: Its all EU immigrants fault for lowering wages!!! (Not impressed though that some unions and labour didn't back us either)
    Tories: Ooh convenient for us, saves having to actually improve wages, working conditions and training!
    Some EU immigrants: Ok fine, go drive your own lorries.


    Salty m&s Brexit tears. Not just any tears, but m&s tears 😁

    He's not correct the UK is still using EU food standards, legally only NI is.

  • Salty indeed! Not quite sure how well-received Archie Norman’s 10 pence worth would be in France…

    We are getting about 80% of our product through, less than that in France because the French, predictably, are draconian,” he said.

  • Then why are we the only country with shortages of common goods, and if it’s all to do with EU rules then that’s something we could have changed- that we have not done so suggests that it’s not actually the problem.

    IIRC the 45 day RTB thing was to stop a driver registered in, and being paid the going rate of, an Eastern European nation from being (effectively) permanently stationed in (say) France, under cutting French firms.

    We can’t employ these drivers because Brexit, hence changing the RTB rule has no effect.

  • Dissing the country of William the Conqueror whose famous Tower of London will go down well with the intended UK audience 😁

  • His statement sort of makes my head hurt. I just don't know where to begin. He's basically admitting to having no idea what leaving the EU meant and also no idea about the EU's probable negotiating position, isn't he?

  • Yep, it's not a good look and as he's not in government it's even worse.

    I imagine a CEO gets judged differently than Boris Johnson..

  • Well, it's reasonably well-known (or so I thought) that the highest-ups are generally very ignorant. They usually claim all that stuff down below is just 'details' and rely on those people in their organisation who know it. This backfires when advice from them doesn't reach the boardroom/higher echelons, which it probably didn't in the case of 'Brexit', although I can't imagine that someone somewhere in that company wouldn't have written a briefing at some point.

  • Well, it's reasonably well-known (or so I thought) that the highest-ups are generally very ignorant.

    One of those situations (similar to PM I imagine) where the skillset needed to become a CEx is probably quite different to the one needed to do that job in the best manner.

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