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  • If minimum wage is high and inflation is low, does that mean Switzerland has a lot less working poverty?

    As that is a big issue in the UK, also because rental controls are weak / lack of social housing / lack of properly planned housing.

  • If minimum wage is high and inflation is low, does that mean Switzerland has a lot less working poverty

    This is the case. Switzerland also have relatively tight rent controls.

  • . A hot chocolate, a coffee, Two sandwiches and a salad came to the equivalent of £40.

    Paid something like £20 for a Burger King in Geneva; to be fair it was quite good.

  • But in comparison to Luxembourg, they're pretty damn cheap, probably a third of the price for similar places. The commute is a bastard for them though. It's that tradeoff like anywhere else (albeit here it's across borders, not just outside London for example), you can pay more and live near work or pay less and have some inconvenience.

  • Maybe not such a bad system then?

    Looks they are still moaning about immigrants anyway, ah, humans 🙄

  • Switzerland is ridiculously conservative (small c). Women got the right to vote in 1971 at federal level (and 1990 in Appenzell Innerhoden half-canton).

  • I lived and worked in Switzerland for a year, on a project where everyone on the team was an English speaking immigrant apart from our boss, who was Swiss. One day, over morning coffee, he told us that the problem with Switzerland was too many immigrants. When pressed, given that everyone else present was an immigrant, he said he meant Eastern European’s, not Western ones.

  • Oh yeah, I get it. They're just pretty grim. Everyone is just trying to pay off their place as quick as possible (which for a lot of people I know was about 10 years) but it's a pretty big slog. There's new housing developments constantly popping up so the demand for workers in Luxembourg showed no sign of slowing (pre covid)

  • In honesty other than the work you need to be physically present for it never slowed. I know restaurants etc are running understaffed at the moment but I think for the most part our job market is reasonably normal.

  • Lol, reminds me of my Dutch ex overhearing a conversation from work colleagues 15 or so years ago: There are too many immigrants!

    My ex, drily: You mean me?
    Oh no we mean the Polish ones.

    I don't think those people are Brexiters/racists as I know them a bit, but it just gets to show. Imagine being Polish/Romanian/Bulgarian/Lithuanian etc. and having to put up with this shit.

  • Sounds like when the SVP try to persuade Cycliste to join in their anti-foreigner immigrants-out crusade, and she points out that she's a stinky foreigner herself. The SVP activists always reassure her that it's OK because she's one of the nice foreigners, not the stinky types - i.e. North-Western European and not brown.

  • Lovely.

    Sadly solidarity among immigrants is not always present either, but good she's not doing that.

  • but good she's not doing that

    Oh, she's definitely not. The SVP aren't exactly subtle, so unless you are just a massively racist xenophobe (like roughly 35% of the Swiss electorate are, based on their voting record) then their blandishments are fairly easy to both see through and reject. And the irony of trying to sell an anti-immigrant policy to someone who is themselves an immigrant is pretty easy to spot!

  • Bloody immigrants, coming over here, doing our work for us, keeping our pensions full, paying our rents, taking care of us in our hospitals and serving us our food. waves fist

  • Oh great. Weirdo conspiracy nutter Cummings wants to really fuck UK computing services.

    No conflict of interest for him there at all, being a man who flagrantly misused data on UK citizens and now wants to weaken data protection.

  • Unless you are a naturalized immigrant Conservative voter that likes Priti Patel of course :p
    [those people exist and make my head hurt. They seem rare though]

    I looked them up, they seem to be running out of steam a bit. Who'd have thought that policies based on fingerpointing aren't actually plans ;)

    That referendum on Switzerland leaving the freedom of movement part of the EU, hah, see how that pans out.

  • He's a moron, but it is now 2020 and 4 years on it still hasn't tweaked in many politicians voters that the UK makes more money with services (data laws are required for that) than good exports to the EU.

    Everybody is talking about lorries cos that's what they can see.

  • Oh great. Weirdo conspiracy nutter Cummings wants to really fuck UK computing services.

    No conflict of interest for him there at all, being a man who flagrantly misused data on UK citizens and now wants to weaken data protection.

    We're going to have to open a UK DC to segregate EU and UK as a result of all this fuckery.

  • Been to Sainburys Charlton tonight and pasta, sauce and canned food shelves have taken a hit.

  • I'm building a fort in the sitting room from all the toilet rolls that I've bought recently.

  • should i be telling my dear ol mum to buy a few extra cans of spagetti hoops each week on to build up a stash ?

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