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  • So ‘spite’ basically?

  • For fucks sake:

    https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/11849­45465810472960?s=19

    Chancellor Sajid Javid says no need for an impact assessment on the Brexit deal, and he doesn't agree with existing government analysis showing it will knock a few % off GDP. He says it's simply self-evident that delivering Brexit is a good thing. Via @jillianfward @ #IMFMeetings

  • This is a man who was on the board of Deutsche Bank, saying he doesn't agree with financial analysis conducted (presumably) by the department he himself runs. He's not stupid - that is a bare-faced lie that he's told in an official capacity. How I wish they could be prosecuted for this sort of thing.

  • https://mobile.twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/­status/1184838369735577602

    Not sure if posted already but this seems to sum things up.

  • But it’s a withdrawal agreement. Step 1.

  • Thanks for t h at good read I have tried to keep up with it all but haven't managed. What a shitshow 😕

  • showing it will knock a few % off GDP

    Just a casual few percent - like those special offers you don't bother with as they're too annoying.

    I don't have the numbers to hand, but I believe the 2008 recession was only a 'few percent' of GDP.

    I'd have thought the Chancellor would have been extremely zealous about protecting his GDP figures.

  • Depends how long he’s intending to be Chancellor and what he wants to do next.

  • "it's not my GDP"

    Things people who voted out said, if they were in a place that had suffered 30 years of shit.

  • Which comes up again and again, but I'm willing to bet they would be upset about losing the NHS, and the vast majority of state benefits including the pension, which is clearly what this government is aiming for - Raab describing pensions as "grey welfare" for e.g.

  • How I wish they could be prosecuted for this sort of thing.

    Yes.

  • Lunatics are running the asylum.

  • You not enjoying this strong and stable government?

  • I absolutely agree. My point, as always badly made, is that it's possible to say things like "shaving a few points off GDP" as if it means nothing is precisely because of "it's not my GDP". I'm guessing.

  • 'Greased piglet' Boris Johnson could pass deal, says David Cameron.

    Wouldn't be my choice of words with your history, Dave.

  • Maybe he's aiming to demote that particular sick and sorry episode down the Google rankings, like Johnson with his ridiculous, made-up bus story?

    That reminds me, where are we now with "Rod Liddle is a cunt"? Still first page?

  • Unbelievable the rank hypocrisy of so many MPs who voted against May's deal and now are so pro Johnson's glitter-rolled version. I greatly fear that the few labour leavers are going to get it over the line this time. Desperate hope that maybe a few (ex)Tories see it for the disaster it is and will help block it.

  • I liked;

    adult realism

    Is it confined to social sciences? Or will we also see adult realist art and design?

  • Deal will get the necessary votes I'm sure. Although what do I know.

    If so, then what? Johnson won't have a working majority, opposition could force an election but with Brexit 'done' then the Tories would win with a decent majority so why would they want to do that.

  • Dom's played this brilliantly. Brilliant Dom.

  • If so, then what? Johnson won't have a working majority, opposition could force an election but with Brexit 'done' then the Tories would win with a decent majority so why would they want to do that.

    Whether the deal gets through parliament or it doesn't, Boris gets the boost either way. He's either 'the guy who delivered brexit' or he's 'the guy who would've delivered brexit if it weren't for those pesky MPs'. Either way he gets the boost.

    And I don't see any counter from Labour. They look outmanoeuvred. I hope I'm wrong.

  • Labour's only manoeuvres these days are to trip over their own feet.

  • If so, then what?

    If a deal is approved by parliament then no-deal is off the table. At that point what is Labour’s excuse for not calling an election?

    The default position is to call an election when there is no working majority. Whatever your politics, I'd be surprised if anyone could seriously suggest that an opposition should oppose an election to ensure a country doesn't have a government.

    ...altho NI seems to manage fine, so maybe we're all overthinking this need for a parliament to function.

  • Well I mean... it certainly would have made things easier. After all, the Northern Ireland situation is the one thing that makes Brexit fundamentally impossible to achieve cleanly. Everything else might be bad for the country, but it doesn't in itself violate a previous agreement.

    Of course, it seems to be a typically English way of approaching the problem - "how about we just ignore the fact Northern Ireland extists".

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