Should Scotland be an independent country?

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  • it won't happen - whether it should or not is another thing

    Salmond would like the Scots to believe that they will hold the power in an iScotland, yet nothing will change - MP's make policy, not people

  • True that MP's make policy and not people but the Indy ref debate has started a resurgence in grass roots politics that has all but died south of the border.

    If there is a yes vote I think this might continue.

  • worth a watch , what he says about britain "deeply deeply immoral , pathological state prepared to go to war to make a few people wealthy "­AJA&

  • fark me, strong words Craig Murray

  • yes indeed from the former ambassador , we know all this stuff he just reaffirms it . check tommy out , he doesnt let up . i know most of what hes saying is a pipedream but it could be the start . i dont have a vote sadly

  • I'm hoping that even if there is a no vote this will continue! Power to the people and all that.

  • from a bona fide Angle

  • Monbiot makes a good case. I like him... But to say he is partizan is a huge understatement.

  • I just wonder when the Yes voters on Facebook will start to reveal themselves? Come on, stop playing your cards so close to your chest, tell us!

  • I live in Glasgow and the Yes punters on FB are constant, in fact they are worse than that. Its every day, multiple times. I've deleted a few also as it just too much.

    I think the premise of the yes campaign is good, but there is far far too much inconstancy and not enough hard confirming facts plus if we vote yes and the shit really hits the fan there is no turning back. I'm quite happy the way things are the now and don't want to risk it on something this serious so therefore i'll be voting no.

    Also the No voters on my fb are very quite in comparison, they haven't said a lot and are continuing to do this.

  • EB was making a little joke when he said that.

    Also the No voters on my fb are very quite in comparison, they haven't said a lot and are continuing to do this.

    The reason for this is because they know to expect a terrifying deluge of Yes voters descending on them to give them loads of shit. I wouldn't dare make my vote intentions known if I was eligible to vote and I felt like voting no.

    In spite of this all the Yes voters on my FB timeline still manage to be continually upset at what they describe as "propaganda" from the No side.

  • yet the Nats pass off this kind of totally biased article (by a website which is paid for by the Yes campaign) as gospel, yet cry about bias everywhere else - an article I should say that has the 'opinion' of an industry website - nothing more - being touted as solid gold fact­ustry-report-scotland-set-for-100-year-o­il-boom-west-of-shetland/

  • Missed the sarcasm, yeah anyone mentions no and theres is a solid chance your gonna get grief off these nazi like yes voters.­rs/hardship-alert-1-3438203?fid=12994&is­c=1&did=27c713f2ab5ff515a02e357bd17e1b78­93758111&ctp=article

    Just read this article on it, I'd say tho its a big worry tho for the yes voters as there seems to be a lot of them….

  • I'm constantly swaying between voting yes and voting no - I get both sides I really do - I just can't help feel deep down that a protest vote against Westminster constitutes a valid argument for Independence. Sure the actual vote occuring and then the work goes in, but if I think about IT project management as an analogy I see clients asking for the earth, project managers saying 'Yes, we can do that' before asking the technicians if it's even possible........then a massively expensive system that doesn't deliver with users beta testing as they go along.......

  • A Yes vote is a vote for a smaller government, more connected, more agile and more accountable to the the people they govern. I don't think it should be a protest vote, or a vote for nationalism, or even a vote for a more stable economic future. The closest the decision making is to the people being affected by the decision the better. My two pennies.

  • I'd rather people were passionate about politics and shaping their lives than not, even if it's getting tedious-it's the home straight to one of the biggest political events of our generation after all. Are you Glaswegian/Scottish yourself? I'm surprised how many non-scots are voting Yes and are interested, even non scottish friends abroad are messaging me saying its exciting and it's all over their news programs.

    Obviously, some people have a bad way of expressing their affiliations-I don't think there's much genuine malice out there but Scotland's had a history of partisan conflicts within the Union and I think a lot of the terminology of it has been normalised as a result. The No campaign seems happy to be passive and portray themselves as the victims for the most part any time someone calls someone a twat on twitter it's held up as some sign of religious or social implosion, David Cameron himself was warned by the Police because he was implying there would be an explosion of social violence outside polling stations, which is an entirely unfounded notion that risks being a self-fulfilling prophesy when banded about like that by people who should know better.

    Billionaire Tom Hunter's politically neutral website has been a really good resource for helping me to understand the issues and get a handle on them.

    There's too much apathy in Scotland, made worse by the de-industrialisation and benefit culture that was left over. I'm not a fan of Salmond, and I don't relish the possibility for real problems in the short term, but I'm hopeful for a better future and more opportunity in Scotland as the result of a Yes vote because under Westminster it's just not happened, and I don't see why Scotland being independent means that the UK as a politically co-operative, friendly entity of allies has to end just because we get to control our own affairs.


    The poem in the video lampoons the british 'no' campaign fairly well.

  • So central government has gone into damage limitation mode. Will Scotland have the balls to push through with this?

  • Gideon making last minute plans, I shudder to think of the chaos that could ensue.

  • As an Englishman living in Scotland, I'm voting yes. This is only a decision I've settled on about 2 weeks ago, but I'd always had a lot of sympathy with the yes voters. I've never bought either side's propaganda about iScotland* being either an economic disaster or the capital-N Nats' rolling in oil Norwegian fantasies. It will probably be OK either way (one or other might be better, but on current data no one can honestly give certainty).

    The question is, really, do you want to support the UK as-is? The last page or so has quite well set out out some of the most egregious excesses of the UK establishment past and present and I cannot bring myself to support that. Admittedly, there is a real chance that the iScotland* establishment would end up being just as bad, but if people get engaged as appears to be the case, then the odds are favourable. I doubt we could swing getting rid of the royals immediately, but I could see that happening 10-20 years down the line (as long as it's far enough away that we don't have President Salmond!). Independence also offers the chance to step away from Westminster's City-focussed economic policy and possibly challenge the neoliberal consensus.

    • I don't like the terms iScotland and rUK, but what can you do? Personally, I like the term former UK, cos of the acronym.
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Should Scotland be an independent country?

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