• Tinfoil rub over?

  • Dunno. This is all new to me... got some sort of link I can check out?

  • I'll give it a go then. Thanks both

  • Can also vouch for the aluminium foil method. I’m more of a roll it into a ball and WD40 kinda guy though.

  • Thanks - looks younger though, possibly having later braze-ons. The number on the (A&P) steerer tube matches. Is the shape of the forks and crown a Sun characteristic?


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  • It took some odd but it is pretty rusty so may try the wd40 too.

  • Not seen those forks before but that's a nice looking gold bottle cage in the background, not a Cobra but just curious as to what it is.

    Tinfoil works slightly better with vinegar which supplies a few protons :)

  • Bates BAR spotted in Windsor this afternoon.
    Loving the gaffer taped bars


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  • I saw this on Facebook just now. It made me smile. Wishing all the wonderful people that I've met though this sub forum a very Happy New Year!


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    • still on the lookout for Lytaloy BB cups. Maybe 2020 will be my year!
  • This reply goes right back to post #2095 in which cycleclinic says he can't reach the change leves of his Cambio Corsa.

    If his position on the bike as shown in the post is compared with Bartali's

    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/22919106­8515775902/

    it's quite clear that Bartali's position on his bike is much lower and further back behind the bottom bracket. His handlebar stem is shorter and it's not flat down on the headset locknut. Although not visible, I promise you that his saddle was mounted behind the saddle pillar, not in front of it, as cycleclinic's is.

    Put all these together and I think it's clear that Gino had a much easier task to reach his change levers than cycleclininc.

    I still think it must have taken a miracle for the pious one (as he was known) to win the 1948 Tour using that gear.

  • Anyone wanna play guess the frame builder ??
    Full lugless construction, grease nipple bb, pencil thin seat stays, very flattened chain stays.

    I'll pull the forks to look for a number later as the BB and ends ain't giving away any secrets.
    Guessing it's a Butler or Hobbs, or ???

    Trying to upload more pics, but 'taint easy.


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  • Paris / Rensch ?

  • My money's on "Hobbs of Barbican"?

  • Thanks for the input, I got a rather insistant with the Dulux emusion on the BB and out popped "E 5816" as a frame number, which is matched on the fork stem.

    What I've found on the web =
    C.Butler
    January 1950 – October 1956, first two numbers = year, next = month.
    November 1956 – July 1958, in receiver so a black hole !?
    January 1959 – Mid 1967, Holdsworth ownership, sequential until about 31000
    So it's not a Claude unless they made frames when in receivership, in which case it'd be a Jan 1958, #6.

    Hobbs
    Starting 1947, a letter indicates the month A-L. Then a four or five digit number, the first digit indicates the year. Thus number A7151, was built in January 1947.
    In 1950's the system simply used the prefix 0, 1, 2 or 3.
    But they stopped making frames in 1953 - so a 5 as the year would not fit !?
    Also I understand they used to stamp the number on the dropout.
    So it may not be one of them :-(

  • I had a September, 1946, 'Clubweight' that looked like that sound the seatstays. Let's see some proper pics.

  • Me three until I T-boned a Volvo.!


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  • Trying to upload files using the forum link is not working !?
    OK created an imgur account.... shoud be 3 iages, please let me know if you can't see them.
    Thanks again for your help.


    interesting high and narrow chainstay profile at the BB.

  • My middle son has decided he wants to have another go at riding a bike. This is his machine as it was retrieved from the shed where it had been slumbering for the past couple of decades - naturally, it's my job to fix it.

    This might possibly have gone to the 'New Groupset on Old Frame' heading, but I've put it here because although the kit is much later than the frame I doubt whether many people here would recognise it as 'new'.

    I believe the frame is a pre-war Claud Butler, the equipment is what I had lying around when I built it. The cranks are slightly unusual, Gnutti steel cotterless, which Matthew favoured on the ground that he might break ali cranks - possible, he's a completely different build from me. The chainrings are TA 'Criterium' which were once very common, but are now pretty rare because the minimum inner ring is 43 teeth.

    I will post another pic. when it's done - I hope it will look attractive.


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  • Another picture.

    I rather like these lugs - they're not too fussy. In fact, I'm inclined to think this frame is quite an elegant job.


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  • Abuse of nice old bike!


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  • Very nice old bike, judging by the number strapped to the top tube, I'm guessing you were at some club meet?

  • My latest build.
    1955 gillott spear. It pretty much my first frame with the original paint just about in tact. It came with most of its original parts.
    I intend to ride the bike from Colone to London in July for charity, so it needs to be in sound mechanical condition


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