Choosing spokes and rim

Hi, I have not done much wheel building (as in, I've rebuilt just 1 wheel). I have a decent 32h fixed hub (pics below), and am hoping to build up a wheel from it. I know I want a black 32h 700c rim (suggestions welcome), but I really don't have a clue what size of spokes I will need, can anybody point me in the right direction? Cheers!

Buy a 60mm deep section carbon rim, or just a £20 mavic, whats your budget?

Use a spoke calculator to find what spoke lengths you want (you'll need a rim first though). plain gague spokes are cheap, butted spokes are rolled thinner in the middle to make ligher.

http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html

http://www.lfgss.com/thread11785.html

The calculator in the first post in this thread is good and accurate.

Budget is closer to the mavic, hoping to have the rim and spokes come to less than £40, does that narrow it down a bit? I didn't realise I needed the rim first, so I have already learned something cheers!

You probably won't be able build the wheel with that sprocket in place, and its very difficult to remove a sprocket unless the hub is built into a wheel.

Whoever sold you the hub may have known this, hence selling the hub.

You need to get it onto a vice without damaging the thread.

I purchased these rims recently which I think was an excellent buy

http://www.planet-x-bikes.co.uk/i/q/RIDTRR465/dt_swiss_rr_465_double_road_rim

But serioulsy, if you are going to go to the trouble of building up a wheel You may as well get some new cheap hubs

I 'inherited' this hub from my brother when he left for uni, so I thought I would put it to good use. If you guys really think this hub will be unusable can you suggest a suitable replacement? A little disappointing really, I might just go with a ready built wheel.

I 'inherited' this hub from my brother when he left for uni, so I thought I would put it to good use. If you guys really think this hub will be unusable can you suggest a suitable replacement? A little disappointing really, I might just go with a ready built wheel.

ready build wheels are usually cheaper, though cheap machine build wheels usually fall apart unless you put good tension in them yourself.

best replacement on budget is on one track. they may still be on sale £15 each.

I'd go ready built, unless you REALLY want to try your hand at wheel building.

Ok well I am quite eager to learn, but I think I'll have to leave it until the summer as this isn't looking practical for me right now. I have done a quick google search of 'one track' and got some catering companies etc, do you have a link to the sale? Thanks for the advice everyone!

Ok well I am quite eager to learn, but I think I'll have to leave it until the summer as this isn't looking practical for me right now. I have done a quick google search of 'one track' and got some catering companies etc, do you have a link to the sale? Thanks for the advice everyone!

Srs?

on one track hubs. 'on one' is a large bike stuffs retailer. on one track hubs are their house brand hubs. planet x is pretty much the same shop, they'll have em on there aswell.

just one word for you

mavic open pro

just one word for you

mavic open pro

Errr isn't that three words? :-)

Indeed it is... Useful ones though, however I gave up on that hub in the end and bought another wheel. It does need new bearings though and I'm not too sure of size I need, it's an unmarked flip flop hub if anybody has any suggestions they're welcome :)

I've got some used Open Pro's that still have a bit of life in them. You can have them for very cheap price. (Read free). I can teach you build a wheel if you want to learn. Or you can follow my video tutorials. I also have an open sport that is in fairly good nic.

If it's not possible to get spokes through the drive side then you can build a partial wheel using the non-drive side so that you can get your chain whip on there or lock ring. I have a hub in a similar condition that requires the same treatment.

And just to make it a triple. I've got a spoke length calculator app on my site now. It only does one side but it's accurate and I've used it on many builds that I've done.

So... what's the difference in spokes. Say Sapimo cx-ray's compared to sapim race, the wheel building thread seems keen on the latter, but for a cheap build for someone looking to commute with the occasional longer ride, would a cheaper spoke be falling into "buy cheap, buy twice" or "ech, its cheap and not the best, but will be fine"? Essentially, any recommendations for spokes for a hub gear build...

about 0.0005 grammes and the race are double butted i believe, skinny in the middle for that weight saving

if you are a hefty chappy and doing 32 hole rims the strong's would be the way to go
if you are a whippet and building 36hole 3x then most spokes would be fine

hub and rims require 36, regardless of whippetnature

Just get ACI from Cyclebasket for a commuter build.

Has anyone shortened, and then used a spoke rolling machine to make exactly the correct length spokes ?

Would this mean I could just buy a bunch of longer, non butted spokes ?

and be able to use them for any wheels, once calculated ERD etc.

(Only going to use for tough beater type wheels.)

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sounds good.

skinny in the middle for that weight saving

The benefit of butted spokes is more important than the small weight saving.

Just get ACI from Cyclebasket for a commuter build.

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I could just buy a bunch of longer, non butted spokes ?

You could, but it seems like a lot of work and you still end up with inferior plain guage spokes.