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  • This is how I've turned it off previously. The blue rides are back now though and I have 'no partner integrations'. I guess that's that then.

  • Are you talking about your own or other people's?

    I'm still seeing other people's because they haven't turned it off. But nobody should be seeing mine. As I understand it.

  • Other people's. I swear I could turn it off the last time this happened.

  • A friend has huge scores for rides of similar intensity (as judged by overall time, and time in zones) compared to very small scores for me. I understand that his zones will be different, so here is an example:
    FRIEND:
    time on ride: 2hr 38, z1: 5m z2: 57m, z3: 57m, z4: 35m, z5: 1m, relative effort score: 238
    ME:
    time on ride: 4hr 24, z1: 33m, z2: 129m, z3: 70m, z4: 29m, z5 2m, relative effort score: 107

    I know these scores are personal and are not to be compared between people, but really I'm interested in why it is happening and if Strava is aware of it.

    Many thanks in advance.

    Just submitted this to strava support, intrigued about what they say.

  • Aren't the scores simply relative to your own previous efforts?

    Edit: Sorry, just seen that you've taken that into account.

  • Wonder what happened here. Relive drew the shortest straw...


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  • Relive’s version is slightly different.
    All seems a bit odd.

  • Strava following their big brothers at facebook, insta etc. apparently. Not very sympa.


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  • I understand Strava is just trying to protect their their business from competition, but in the end the data is owned by the user. Also the development of strava itself has stagnated so it is a really bad move to deal with partners like this.

  • but in the end the data is owned by the user

    Is it actually though? Actual question.

  • Basically, no.

  • Which part of the privacy policy led you to that conclusion?

  • Scenario: I've exported a run I'd like to chop in two as half is warm up, half race.

    I'd like to reimport it then use strava to trim each run to make the two halves.

    When I try re-upload it there's an "analyzing" bar that never progresses, so I'm stuck.

    Question: Is there another way to achieve the same end result?


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  • The part where they're using 'my data' for all kinds of stuff? It's all pretty vague anyway.

  • Using your data doesn't change its ownership. If I own a bike and lend it to someone it's still my bike.

  • Until you try to get it back.

  • That's not how that works. My data itself isn't really the valuable bit, the conclusions drawn from it is. My data is also never 'taken' from me, so on that level the ownership is irrelevant if that doesn't include control over how it's used. And once they've used it there is no way to undo that - and they're pretty clear that they will use it for all kinds of stuff.

  • Oh you don’t have any right to or ownership over any conclusion or resultant data, nor any processed data. You have the right to your raw, uncleaned data and that’s it.

    In terms of ad revenue, on Facebook - one persons data is less valuable than 0.001% of 100,000 people data

  • Depends. If they act like Facebook then they might find their servers have been 'deleted'.

  • No, there is indeed such a right as the one to withhold some types of data from being used. That's why, for example, all patients whose data I work with have to have signed a release form in order for us to comply with GDPR.

    The whole discussion about people's data isn't just about people themselves having access to it, though that is of course nice (e.g. being able to download all your Facebook data). It's also about who gets to use it and how.

    In this context, 'owning your data' is completely meaningless if it isn't tied to some control over its use. A point made quite forcefully by industry when it was their data whose use they were keen on controlling, e.g. copying music etc.

  • You asked who owns the data, not what's valuable. If you are habitually located in the European Union, you have the right to access, rectify, download or erase your information, as well as the right to restrict and object to certain processing of your information. That sounds like ownership to me. I'm no lawyer but lookup GDPR laws and how that relates to the processing of 'your data' and feel free to be a test case if you believe they're acting outside that set of laws.

  • That's the point, Strava does not restrict themselves particularly in their privacy policy.

    Nowhere did I claim that this is illegal. It just means I don't truly own my data there.

  • I’m guessing underneath all this data narrative it’s just that they couldn’t find a way to get Relive to pay what Wahoo and Trainerroad etc do as part of the sponsored partnerships, which in those cases brands the activity, while Relive is totally external.

  • What's the format?
    If you've still got the original run you can split it in-situ on strava now (at least can with rides)

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