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  • Yup, racing as a pair!

  • Nope, I missed out. Saving all my luck up for TCR.

  • Always viewed it as cycling long, potentially for multiple days, often self-supported.

  • I think it's a bit different. With a bicycle you can cycle "ultra-distances" without being much of an athlete - let alone an ultra-athlete. Its inspiring and good recipe for an adventure.

  • Something I have wondered is where does a long ride become an ultra ride? In running a marathon is a marathon, anything shorter can be a long run but longer than 26.2 miles and you're suddenly running an ultra-marathon. Though it's generally agreed that it's not an ultra until you get to 50k (31miles). So it's fairly well defined for running but doesn't seem to be the same in cycling where I would say an ultra is generally longer in terms of hours of activity, often multi-day, and harder in terms of self sufficiency (no aid stations every few hours).

  • Sounds like touring.

  • I take it to mean ultra-racing on a bike, although I'd also include non-races that some people do treat like a race, like Japanese Odessy, TAW and also PBP. For me it starts at something longer than 600km, ideally a lot longer

  • Long-distance or self-supported racing and ITTs always seem very down to earth, unassuming and accessible. 'Ultra' belongs in the same folder as 'Ironman'?
    Edit to add, not saying triathlons aren't down to earth in comparison, just the Ultra term can sound a bit 'big-up', like long-distance isn't enough and it needs to be more extreme to be valued.

  • Guess there is a lot of grey area. Has 'Ultra' become a slightly naff buzzword in the last few years? Probably. Though I'd put that 'movement' apart, in spirit, from the collection of events such as TCR, Tour Divide, TABR, IPWR, SRMR etc. The core of these appear to be mainly about testing physical and mental limits of an individual or pair over a given period. Whether that is someone who has trained for years specifically for the event, or a more 'normal' entrant who has a bike, some determination and some free time. 'Ultra' the buzzword is possibly a tag you can boast to friends and family with. These events and round the world attempts etc. seems often about a test of limits, an internal thing, the bicycle is the tool or instrument.

    Over the last few years it has been noticeable that there is growing mentions of sponsorship, social media interaction and bigger brands sniffing around riders and races. That has diluted a little the underlying spirit of these events. However the upside is that is becomes easier to track riders and follow stories or narratives that emerge, it humanises it for spectators and the riders get a slice of the interest ultimately in the form of money I guess?

    Just spitballing for fun, probably didn't answer your question anyway :)

  • Guys, just dusted off another silly challenge: Making £1,000 in a calendar week doing deliveries by bicycle.

    Rough stats:

    1,105km ridden.
    94 hours working.
    209 deliveries done.
    Biggest day: 174km & 15 hours online.
    £1,055 made.
    Fixed gear.
    UberEats & Stuart.

    It was a close one. All came down to the last 5-6 hours on Sunday night to break the 1000 barrier and then I had to do more on top just to seal the deal and have my mind at ease for when the pay statements come in on Tuesday evening. I had to treat this a lot like an ultra race, especially near the beginning. Did not stop moving. Only ate when I ended up near a suitable shop and was waiting for a pick-up. It was pretty much non-stop with only two distinct periods throughout the week where there was a ~1 hour gap between requests. Got home at night, cooked, ate, relaxed for about 30 minutes then went to sleep with a short sleep. I could 'chill' a bit more towards the end due to higher bonuses and more requests for the weekend - although I kinda wish I had maybe gone a little bit harder to avoid stress of possibly failing in the final hours. Mainly worked from midday until 1am-ish. Nuts week!

    Rides here: https://www.strava.com/athletes/4720579#­interval?interval=201949&interval_type=w­eek&chart_type=miles&year_offset=0

    More confirmed details and videos coming soon!

    Here's the heat map of the week. Sorry about the straight lines... believe me, they cause me huge physical pain.

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  • Where's my bloody curry?!

  • Got hungry towards the end. Oopsie!

  • I do like the quirky shit you come up with but you shoud've said something, one delivery to me and you'd have had a much easier week ;)

  • I've plenty of long distance stuff with Audax through the usual distances of 200km, 300km, 400km and 600km up to some of the blue riband evens like PBP (1200km) and LEL (1400km).

    And I'd say that "Ultra" stuff like TCR, Tour Divide, etc are a considerable step above those. I'm good with sleep deprivation and can put up with less than 10 hours sleep over 5 days plus I like riding on my own, but going on for another 5 days (even if I got 3-5 hours sleep per day) and, more importantly, doing it all pretty much solo is next level shit (IMHO).

    So I'd probably say that 2000k is roughly where I think it goes from "long distance" to "ultra".

    Ironman is slightly different, it's just a faster pace for a relatively shorter period ("only" 16 or 17 hours). I'd like to do one because, ironically, it takes up less time (both training and doing) than Audax or Ultra stuff. The cycling aspect of an IM doesn't bother me, I remember going past 180km on the 24h TT and feeling like I'd barely got going (it was still ~7h20 in to the ride). It's the run that's a fucker (but that's because I'm a fat git) - I've walked at least 5km of all three marathons I've done and those were all standalone marathons - I didn't have the swim or the cycle in my legs when I started.

  • Sport science normally defines "ultra" as anything over like 4-6hrs. Cycling it's vaguely defined as anything above a century, running anything over a marathon. So basically, it is what you want it to be :)

    You could limit it to multi-day adventure racing but I did more damage to myself racing one 24hr TT than racing 2 weeks around Spain so my personal definition of what "ultra" is is probably different to someone who's only done audaxes someone who ran 365 marathons last year or any other 'above normal' levels of sporting activity.

  • If you can finish longest audaxes in time I expect you could cope on TCR TD etc better than you think, it's largely mental commitment and pace Vs recovery once you've got the right base fitness. My comment on Ultra and Ironman was more about the presentation of something, like it needs a big name to get respect from those outside the scene, or if a long race isnt classed as an ultra it's not worth as much. But I guess whether you GAS about that goes into why you'd do something like that in the first place.

  • I need to think up a shape that will be grand enough to take a 400km+ ride to draw. 9 hours is not enough artistic sacrifice.

  • Let's hope the jobs that come in somehow take care of it. :)

  • This is a good shape for that kind of length ride:-

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  • Part one of the £1000-in-a-week doing deliveries on a bicycle challenge!


  • Sewer expert too? Who knew? :P

  • Just watched the first couple of minutes. Will save the rest for the queen's speech.

  • Nukeproof and dolan should really sponsor you.

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