Espresso - caramel cycles part 2

...Max Crowe should come back....

Max has left Lfgss?

Yeah, but then I would have abbreviated it to FFS.

I think Max has gone or is an alias, in any case we don't seem to be noticing the references to what a huge, tall man-mountain he believes himself to be in nearly every post.

Tis a pity. I like(d) Max. All the exuberance of youth.

Or Campagnolo. Remember the original Sherriff Stars?

You mean the track hubs? That tend to only fail when ridden on the street?
And yes, I know they don't have "track use only" etc stamped on them but that's because they were from a time when no-one rode their track bikes on the street. I'm sure that things might be different now and they would have a weight limit etc.
As has been asked before, will the Espresso wheels come with any weight/usage limit guidelines?

Would I say that cheap generic hubs are better than Campagnolo? No.

Not even if asked "What budget hubs should I get for my fixie skidder/commuter bike that won't fall apart after a week or two?"

And yet, for the majority of cyclists, Campy is a must have.

I'd reckon the majority of cyclists would have no idea what Campagnolo was.
The majority of hipsters maybe, but I'd also reckon that the majority of them would know the unsuitability of riding such hubs on the street but would chose to do so anyway.

I can only go by what works for me, and be honest in my assessment and appraisal. I think my needs are different to the majority of hipsters on here.

In that the majority of hipsters on here don't want to have to take their wheels to be finished getting built after they buy them?

Or that the majority of hipsters on here don't want to have to file out their fork dropouts to 10mm or rebuild the wheel with a smaller axle (is that even possible?)

Alea jacta est....as they used to say in Gaul (Asterisk & Obelisk).

I have no idea how that relates to this discussion?

Maybe your meds have got you all confused. Still, I'm sure all of this simply relieves the boredom from your hospital bed.

Inaccurate, personal, provocative and below the belt comments. Tush.

On this forum?? no way

Inaccurate,...provocative...comments.

These things, concerning dancing_james? I can't imagine what I had been thinking.

I can't be impolite to you missmouse, as you are a person that I hold in esteem, though I do not know you. You are still clearly a good person.

But I agree, he should be left to convalesce.

lynx, you are exactly what everyone on this forum says you are.....but I won't go into that.

No relevance to the thread apart from to start an arguement, even after the comments to prancer.

In that the majority of hipsters on here don't want to have to take their wheels to be finished getting built after they buy them?

Or that the majority of hipsters on here don't want to have to file out their fork dropouts to 10mm or rebuild the wheel with a smaller axle (is that even possible?)

So thats fit for use.

At least they're not called 'Expresso', 'FS.

I thought you like an expresso in the morning, along with your cross onts*?

*I say this, I'm not proud of it but doing it the whole French way like some of the people I work with? I'd rather put my tongue in a blender.

Just to re iterate - new set of wheels should not retensioning before putting them on a bike.

I disagree. A perfectly well made wheel will often need adjustment for rider weight, and then further retruing after the first couple of rides. Its not a definite requirement (especially if you are of average weight). Just good practice.

I don't feel the wheel was improperly tensioned, but not sufficiently tensioned.

Exactly.

Carry on.

and for the record. If us Campag users followed the 18 billion disclaimers associated with every product. We'd never get the stuff out of the box. Bastards, I love them so.

Or Campagnolo. Remember the original Sherriff Stars?

yes, the one that's design for the track that isn't strong enough for day-to-day riding, the road version were fine (AFAIK).

yes, the one that's design for the track that isn't strong enough for day-to-day riding, the road version were fine (AFAIK).

Already made that point but Ashe seems to have chosen to ignore it.

If hippy would delete all of Scoble's posts that are almost a requote of someone else's, his post count would be halved.

It's just easier if I delete them all, no?

Relax Scoble Fount of all Knowledge, t'was but a joke.

I disagree. A perfectly well made wheel will often need adjustment for rider weight, and then further retruing after the first couple of rides. Its not a definite requirement (especially if you are of average weight). Just good practice.

But given our esteemed reviewer said, "The spokes appeared untensioned on delivery, though the wheels spun completely true. I discussed this with the retailer, and suggested offering a hand-trued wheel, as well as the factory machine-trued wheel. Some of the spokes felt soft, so after Vaidas tensioned them for me, I was ready to test them. I felt this was important, as I am a heavy guy, and machine-trued wheels wouldn't have stayed true long under my weight. Vaidas said that he did the best he could do, but he was concerned that he hadn't done a perfect job, as he said that wheels with that depth of rim, were harder to make totally true, if there is any non-roundness."

I am not sure an un-tensioned wheel would be suitable for riders of any weight.

I am not sure an un-tensioned wheel would be suitable for riders of any weight.

I was replying to Lynx's assumption that new wheels should'nt need tweeking.

For me thats like complaining that the laces on your new shoes were too tight, and taking them back.

'Appearing untensioned' does sound outright dodge though.

How ya keeping anyway? Will being off the bike mean you'll have more time to be shouty on here? (winky smilie)

This is now my one outlet!

Am trying to play nicely.

Really frustrated that I was in hospital when I was meant to be building up the lynskey ridgeline sl. Will port everything over from my geared 29er, though longterm would like to run it as 2x10.

Really frustrated that I was in hospital when I was meant to be building up the lynskey ridgeline sl. Will port everything over from my geared 29er, though longterm would like to run it as 2x10.

Nice.

I'm going to swap my silly integrated Trigon bar/stem on the Spot, for some fleegle bars and a 80mm stem. Feels like I'm going to snap the bars when I'm climbing, and I want a slightly shorter reach.

All the best heeling up.

......back to latte bikes or whatever.....

I think that ga2g has stopped his gorging on caramel popcorn now.

I disagree. A perfectly well made wheel will often need adjustment for rider weight,

Disagree completely. A properly built wheel is a properly built wheel. If it's not suffucuently tensioned to support a rider or type of riding which there are no warnings against on any of the parts then it ain't properly built.

and then further retruing after the first couple of rides. Its not a definite requirement (especially if you are of average weight). Just good practice.

Now this I can agree with, although I'd make the point that a good wheelbuilding job should result in a wheel which doesn't 'ping' when ridden at first. A small degree of bedding in should be expected though and any wheel builder worth his/her salt will offer to give the wheels a once over after a suitable period of time. In the case of a machine built wheel, the majority of which are not sold as aftermarket accessories but fitted as oem to complete bikes, a check and adjustment of spoke tension should be included in the first (generally free) service on the bike.

So far loving this thread for the - comments *Your constant running to James' aid makes James look unmanly. Very unmanly. *

And the PM of *lynx, I had clearly said that the wheelset fit my Giant Bowery perfectly, but not my Capo 5. It was completely compatible for one of my bikes, but not the other. And since it was compatible (notice the spelling), I could test it. I still ride the rear, and its never gone out of true.

No need to reply. I don't think you cycle fixed gear, or single-speed anyway. We don't have anything in common at all. And for that, I am truly grateful.

*I now wonder what the criteria is to have an opinion as it certainly not building wheelsets and buying them ready built. Geared and single speed and fixed. Thats certainly not enough for some.

Disagree completely. A properly built wheel is a properly built wheel. If it's not suffucuently tensioned to support a rider or type of riding which there are no warnings against on any of the parts then it ain't properly built.

I agree with you.

Now this I can agree with, although I'd make the point that a good wheelbuilding job should result in a wheel which doesn't 'ping' when ridden at first. A small degree of bedding in should be expected though and any wheel builder worth his/her salt will offer to give the wheels a once over after a suitable period of time. In the case of a machine built wheel, the majority of which are not sold as aftermarket accessories but fitted as oem to complete bikes, a check and adjustment of spoke tension should be included in the first (generally free) service on the bike.

I agree with this with a few reservations. Have had a few hand built wheels 700 roads and 26 inch wheels. None of the road wheels needed a tweak, but the mountain bike ones did but then again I was bouncing the bike off trails and damaged a few tubes too. They lasted alot longer than the original specialised fitment. Also twisted spoke design take a while to settle and ping for ages. But that may have been they were my first twisted spoke I built.