Don't be a pussy, don't be a dick

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  • (apologies to anyone offended by the post title)

    These wise words come from the polo scene (thanks Rik) They describe the balance needed to play good polo. They apply really well to riding a bike on road and the balance between asserting your right to be on the road and in the middle of the lane when you need to, and *allowing *drivers to pass you when it's appropriate and low risk for you.

    Transport for London have been debating what advice to give to cyclists around the default riding position and there is some discussion, even disagreement around this issue between cycle trainers, road engineers and other parties. A conference is planned later this month for London boroughs to hammer this out and to make recommendations for changes to the National Standard training syllabus.

    I hope to argue the case for a wider acceptance of cyclists in within the traffic stream including showing more cyclists in this position in TfL cycling promotion literature . It would be good to have some pithy phrase to use and that cycle trainers can use (Like 'see, be seen, communicate') to express the pussy/dick balance without offending anyone.

    Any ideas?

  • Perhaps the Courage Wolf meme?

  • Perhaps the Courage Wolf meme?

    Most are NSFW Ed. Looking for something more innocuous

  • Insofar, 'take the lane' have been my chosen quote, would love to hear anything better.

  • Is there going to be a pithy phrase for drivers too? Something to encourage crossing of the white line when passing perhaps.

  • I see AndyP lurking so I am waiting to find out what I think.

  • Is there going to be a pithy phrase for drivers too? Something to encourage crossing of the white line when passing perhaps.

    The pithy lines should apply to all road users. 'See, be seen & communicate' does, as does don't be a pussy...

    Hppy st david's day btw clwydian

  • Be assertive but sensible, seems to cover it for me, use your common sense/instinct...

    although saying that, it would seem the majority of road users have neither of these things, so maybe try something else

  • I suppose "Don't be a vagina, don't be a penis" is less offensive but it does lose some of the pith.

  • No Will, vagina and penis will probably offend someone
    don't be a kitten, don't be a richard perhaps?

  • I said 'less offensive', not inoffensive.
    "Don't be a Clegg, don't be a Cameron" perhaps?

  • I said 'less offensive', not inoffensive.
    "Don't be a Clegg, don't be a Cameron" perhaps?

    Repped

  • BTW I am having a serious think about this too.

  • Confident but Considerate
    A cyclist who takes the lane when they need to isn't trying to slow drivers down, so give them room to manoeuvre, wait and pass more safely further down the road. Police will be awarding 6 penalty points to drivers who fail to give cyclists room.

    The last bit's wishful thinking. The first bit is your pithy phrase. The second bit is my attempt at addressing motorists.

  • I was thinking of Confident And Considerate but I have some reservations about 'confident' in this context as it's, firstly, always a bit difficult to* tell* a trainee to be confident and secondly it's not specific to road positioning. But I have nothing better at the moment.

  • Confident but Considerate

    Nice one skully perhaps without the 'but'
    confident yet considerate?
    considerate confidence?

    The word assertive does mean that yet people sometimes hear 'aggressive'

  • on second thought perhaps emphasising the considerate element may encourage people to move out the way even when innapropriate. Hmm still not as clear as pussy/dick which seems spot on

  • Diolch yn fawr skydancer.

    Two very close passes on the road today may have coloured my thinking and confirmed not everyone was sharing the (Dewi Sant) love.

    The CTC already has a reasonable one. OAN the road - Observation, Anticipation, Negotiation.
    Better just as Observe, Anticipate, Negotiate I think.

    I can never remember the three C's without prompting - Confident, Competent , Consistent

  • assertive but considerate sounds fine to me, simple as abc innit. I think the considerate bit works well and drivers will like hearing it as it could be meant to imply to make way for them when the opportunity to safely do so arises, ie get out of their fecking way, which is what they really want isn't it.

  • yes I like assertive and considerate blue feet, and yes many drivers see a cyclist and think get out my f'king way even if the rider is travelling the same speed as them or clearly needs to be there to avoid a hazard. This expectation must change

  • join the queue

    queues -lose

    (for all the drivers)

    these are my current slogans.

    good news on the conference btw.

  • oh , seriously?

    lock that fucker down (perfect for letting l3 trainees know what to do.)

  • Insofar, 'take the lane' have been my chosen quote, would love to hear anything better.

    How about...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f-cEM1l7­Ks"]YouTube

    - Toto -Hold the Line[/ame]

  • You are testing my moderation as a moderator to the limit there Mick. Toto indeed.

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