Anarcho-Bicyclist Conference Manchester April 2011

a Charolais crossed with Dexter.

favourite cuts are onglet (skirt) and fore rib

Where in this thread did i say i was anarchist? Or Vegan for that matter.

Keep wearing your ignorance with pride, it suits you well.

Not ignorance - arrogance.

Could you, please, point me out towards the facts I'm being ignorant about. I don't quite get it.

Your face EEI

east end doesnt suit you.

Poppa Skid sounds like an EEI alias, though. ;)

this sounds suspiciously like the agenda to my last club meeting, except we're organised in a very different way!

Yeah.

I'm not quite sure how me repeating banal tautological statements counts as a rant, and I have no interest in fights. I just detected a hint of opinion or substance in your first post which I'll take your word as actually being solely administrative in nature.

The event still sounds cool, tho.

Not ignorance - arrogance.

Could you, please, point me out towards the facts I'm being ignorant about. I don't quite get it.

Well, we can start with your point that the organisers were offering vegan food with no alternative. The alternative is simply to eat elsewhere or not attend if not for you.

You assumed i was an anarchist, no effort to establish position.

The argument about whether the bike lane is becoming the new cat walk makes me angry in ways that very few things do. So angry my eyeballs are twitching.

Just because there are different types of girls out there that want to be riding bikes in their own way you "Beauty and the Bike" lot get all threatened that they are stealing your sub-culture and now you too will have to wear red lipstick and capes if you want to ride your bike.

Chill the fuck out and just do what you fucking want and let the more girly of cyclists do what we want to.

It's all gone a bit Clarkson in many respects here in this topic. Many anarchists and vegans also practice yoga. Maybe folks could take the piss out of that too in the yoga thread, would be funny as fuck I bet.

What you mean like Ryan Giggs?

NHatt, Im sure I speak for most adults when I say that we would greatly like more women on bikes, across the spectrum of society, for all the benefits to them and the rest of us,regardless of what they look like.

Anarchist
an-er-kist

1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy or anarchism.

2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.

3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.

to take umbrage with somebody taking the piss out of your vegetable farts and knitting your own granola is not the way of a true anarchist.
put down the tofu rissole and kill somebody

yeah lets boil down a centuries old political philosophy into a trite dictionary definition.

it's sad how predictable this all is.

People obviously want to bury their shame and guilt about killing animals - yes, I'll attack an ideology that questions my ostrich lifestyle, that'll show them.
They're the stupid, exclusive ones, with their ethics, morals, ways of thinking differently to the rest of the bland, unthinking, stupid world, and that.

I have no guilt about killing animals for food or eating them, in the same way that I have no guilt about killing vegetables. As Oliver has in the past so wisely said, people are morally autonomous. I certainly do not understand the puritan concept that self-denial (of anything) makes one a better or more moral person, but I accept that for some people it works for them.

(What I do have is some kind of allergy or intolerance to a wide range of vegetables, which makes me vomit if I eat them, and a more normal plain old dislike of many others. An entirely vegetarian or vegan menu has a 80-90% chance of excluding me completely)

people are morally autonomous

how is this not moral nihilism wrapped up cosily?

What you mean like Ryan Giggs?

There's a topic about him? Must be some mileage in joking around in there then.

First one to post the Giggs / Senna joke gets a Vegan Flapjack. And some incense. Ho ho.

Don't mention vegetables. They way how they treat the fruits is horrible. I understand broccoli, but tomato? Tomato is technically a fruit, but still bullies all the apples.

I have no guilt about killing animals for food or eating them, in the same way that I have no guilt about killing vegetables.

Yes, yes! Go, go! Just four more comments each along those lines, you can get a bingo! Your prize for five in a row is a Darwin Award.

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One reason why I could not abide Thaterites was the way in which they spoke as though they had absolute moral authority. The same tendancy prevades the arguments of "liberals" and is a reason why I would never classify myself as "liberal". I do not want to impose my view on others. I would prefer to persuade them.

It saddens me to see people claiming moral authority for the views, be they anarchism or veganism rather than seeking to persuade us of the correctness of those views. If you have a good point, surely it has persuasive powers and doesn't require a pious holier than thou attitude.

^Get off your soapbox Vicar

yeah lets boil down a centuries old political philosophy into a trite dictionary definition.

it's sad how predictable this all is.

cheer up! you have an anarchist conference to go to where you can discuss the corporate whores Giant,Trek,Merida,Pacific bike co and Shimano and really stick it to the man. if you are lucky you might get to 'break those chains' by making your own! no need to be enslaved by sram or Izumi.

good luck with that.

how is this not moral nihilism wrapped up cosily?

I don't think Niall understands the context of that statement, Josh.

Yes, yes! Go, go! Just four more comments each along those lines, you can get a bingo! Your prize for five in a row is a Darwin Award.

Where' the box for "I don't like animals but I love meat?"

The argument about whether the bike lane is becoming the new cat walk makes me angry in ways that very few things do. So angry my eyeballs are twitching.

Just because there are different types of girls out there that want to be riding bikes in their own way you "Beauty and the Bike" lot get all threatened that they are stealing your sub-culture and now you too will have to wear red lipstick and capes if you want to ride your bike.

Chill the fuck out and just do what you fucking want and let the more girly of cyclists do what we want to.

I may have missed something, but is this in relation to something in this thread?

It is in relation to the programme at the Manchester conference.

I may have missed something, but is this in relation to something in this thread?

Saturday

4.30pm D: "Beauty" + The Bike. Is the bike lane the new catwalk?

Presume you are going Ronnie or are City at home that weekend?

how is this not moral nihilism wrapped up cosily?

how is it not just armchair anarchism wrapped up with fringes of society bicycle culture and pointless naval gazing?

It is in relation to the programme at the Manchester conference.

Saturday

4.30pm D: "Beauty" + The Bike. Is the bike lane the new catwalk?

Ah, of course. Missed that.

Presume you are going Ronnie or are City at home that weekend?

Whilst I know the people involved in organising this (and very nice they are too), it's not really my sort of thing, and I'm not turning up for free vegan food.

We're away to Liverpool on the sunday, and hopefully I can get a ticket.