Challenging music

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  • Throbbing Gristle is a real challenge to listen to. It's just noise, there i said it.

    but amazing noise. Not to mention they make their own instruments, combine both sonic and visual art in a way that most artists can't... and they're really lovely people.

    I don't think I get this thread. Is it stuff we like, but that we think others might find challenging? Or is it stuff that we feel we should like, but find too challenging? Or what?

    It's music people don't like.

    why does challenging have to be disliked? The more you challenge yourself the better you become, whether that's doing physical or mental things. Music can challenge people mentally and the challenge can expand your perception. People who dislike anything that's challenging won't get anywhere... Some of the best music challenges you, your mind, your ears, your patience.... if it wasn't challenging it'd be boring and then what's the point?

  • Music can challenge people mentally and the challenge can expand your perception. People who dislike anything that's challenging won't get anywhere...

    Yeah, fuck 'em the stupid cunts.

    Some of the best music challenges you, your mind, your ears, your patience....

    Yeah, right on! Just because something challenges your patience (and your ears) doesn't mean that you won't 'get anywhere and when you get there that you won't be challenged, or even arrested (and by arrested I don't mean arrested by the police, but arrested by the challenge of having your patience challenged by the music).

    In the war of perception between: 'Becoming better' vs 'don't get anywhere' - 'Becoming better' always wins - you'd have to be pretty stupid to chose 'don't get anywhere'.

    Always go for becoming better.

    Always.

    Waaahahahahhhhahahahahahaa.

    if it wasn't challenging it'd be boring and then what's the point?

    Idiotic false dichotomy.

    Really, idiotic - but funny.

    : )

  • Throbbing Gristle is a real challenge to listen to. It's just noise, there i said it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqnVneEBp­gQ

    A lot of their stuff is surprisingly accessible. This is an awesome early synth track.

  • Isn't the main guy a woman now?

  • yes

  • I had a mate at work who was really into them.

    He wore black everyday, and shaved his eye brows, he also wore 32 hole DM's every day.

  • surprised no one mentioned nurse with wound/stephen stapleton
    legend.

    and what about the usual wire fodder? people like david toop?

    kaffe matthews is fantastic live. i remember seeing her play in a festival making all the men look like complete idiots. she literally rocks with a laptop.

    hecker (NOT tim hecker) was mind blowing when i first saw him at the ICA with his mego labelmates.

    london sinfonietta did a concert playing iannis xenakis's pieces it was amazing.

    others worth mentioning on the top of my head that hasnt made this thread yet:

    jon rose
    supersilent
    morton feldman
    jonathan coleclough
    aube
    derek bailey
    DNA
    no neck blues band
    coil
    karlheinz stockhausen
    steve reich

  • Captain Beefheart.. I love.. I hate.. Arrrgghh

    This. I still don't think I can listen to trout mask replica all the way through. Same with Sun-ra.

  • This. I still don't think I can listen to trout mask replica all the way through. Same with Sun-ra.

    Why is that, is it because you don't like listening to the music ?

  • I found I certainly had to be in the right mood for Beefheart. Then you've got all these different parts in different timing patterns and it can get a bit hard to get your head around it.

  • I found I certainly had to be in the right mood for Beefheart. Then you've got all these different parts in different timing patterns and it can get a bit hard to get your head around it.

    Did you like listening to music like that ?

  • Zan Lyons.

  • Sometimes. Did you?

  • Sometimes.

    Specifically when you say: "I still don't think I can listen to trout mask replica all the way through. Same with Sun-ra." - do you not like listening to this music ?

  • We're going round in circles now, I fear.

  • i love lots of beefheart including some bits of trout mask replica... (although i prefer the earlier stuff really) but the thing about a lot of it is, i reckon that rather being "difficult" as a result of the musician's superhuman genius and predeliction for technically awe-inspiring wizardry or whatever, i reckon most of it's just willfully, purposefully annoying. i reckon rather than being technically brilliant or individually complex it's just a bunch of people trying to play in such a way that everything they do grates on everything else giving the illusion of complexity. which isn't to say that that's neccesarily bad by any means! just that i don't the oft-repeated assertion that it's a work of deviant musical genius is particularly waranted.

    i read a really long and interesting interview with "winged eel fingerling" a few years back where he was asked about the myth that don van vliet "wrote" every part on the album and locked the band in a room till they'd learned them just-so. he said that the process was that don would say something like "play something that sounds like a bat", they'd play any old shit and he'd go "yeah! that's it!" haha!

    still love loads of it though. "ella guru" and "moonlight on vermont" off that album in particular.

    also i love that bit at the start of "pena" (there's a track of willfully horrible noise if ever there was one) where you hear don talking one of the band though the "fast and bulbous!" dialogue:

    "... yeah but you have to wait until i say 'also, a tin tear drop!'"

    the other guy does an almost audible facepalm, laughs and says "oh christ!"

    obvioulsy shaking his head at the ridiculousness of the situation he's in. very funny.

    have you ever noticed that the record scratch sound effect on "the dust blows forward and the dust blows back" always occurs in the gap between the irregularly spaced spoken word lines?

    maybe i've listened to it too much.

  • We're going round in circles now, I fear.

    I was just wondering when felt you could not listen to Trout Mask Replica (for example) whether you - at that point - did or did not like the music you were listening to.

    If you don't want to answer the question for whatever reason that's cool with me too.

  • I can never tell the sincerity of your posts. I suppose you could say that at that point where I did turn off I didn't like it, but that does not mean that I won't enjoy if I were to listen to it at a later date. Maybe Captain Beefheart are just one of those bands where it just clicks, and it all makes sense, and maybe I just haven't got to that stage yet...

  • for those that like ambient noise http://www.fluid-radio.co.uk/2010/07/eva­n-caminiti-west-winds-review/ listened to it on my tube :( commute this morning.

    V nice

  • I can never tell the sincerity of your posts.

    They are all sincere, even the insincere ones.

    I suppose you could say that at that point where I did turn off I didn't like it, but that does not mean that I won't enjoy if I were to listen to it at a later date.

    And would you say that at this point ("where [you] did turn off") - that this is the point at which you might call the music 'challenging' ?

  • Maybe Captain Beefheart are just one of those bands where it just clicks, and it all makes sense, and maybe I just haven't got to that stage yet...

    Same here, I haven't got to that stage with all the music I don't like.

    (This one is sincere)

    : )

  • Not sure where I am going with this.

    Might have to go to the off licence.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmmR9OJWV­0I

    Been digging on Nurse With Wound recently.

  • beefhearts trout mask replica makes for difficult conversation
    have tried it with guests in the house and i had to turn it off i just couldn't concentrate on the conversation

  • I cannot fucking stand beefheart. not even in a love hate way, I just fucking hate it. a mate of mine basically listens to nothing but beefheart and zappa and it just makes me feel physically nauseous, I have an absolutely visceral reaction to it. makes me picture sweaty rehearsal rooms and congealed spaghetti and bricks for ashtrays and red lightbulbs and greasy hair. ghastly.

    big fan of electronic noise stuff about 40% of the time - this thread has inspired me to have another listen to that three track Venetian Snares record. brilliant. I'll hate it again tomorrow.

    A GIANT ALIEN FORCE MORE VIOLENT & SICK THAN ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE - YouTube

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