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  • Yeah, ok maybe smeared as a result of being run loose but those splines would still work fine if the pinch bolts weren't failing. It was aimed at earlier comments about the cranks falling off "due to the splines".

  • Was the BB shell faced? Might have taken off too much from the 73mm shell...

  • Hello All,

    I'm the one that sold this bike. I've been a member of this foum since early 2017 and have bought and sold plenty of bits over that period without any issues, so it saddens me to see my name brought up here and a witch hunt ensuing.

    The bike in question was originally an old entry level road bike. I later converted into a crit bike upgrading all of the components with Ultegra 6700 which i raced for a season before changing bikes. As a lockdown project i recommissioned the bike into a 1x, flat bar commuter/ pub bike which is the current form as seen.

    The bike was sold as seen in used condition and fully functional with no issues. All of which was confirmed by the buyer who agreed as much during his test ride. Whether it be 20 seconds or 20 minutes he confirmed that he was happy and payment was taken. You can imagine my surprise when 2 weeks later i get a message saying the cranks were broken.

    I told him that as far as i knew there was known issues and at the time of sale the bike was fit to ride. He mentioned that he had taken it to an lbs who said the splines were damaged and after several messages he said he wanted some money back. I said i was unwilling to offer money back but instead i offered to post parts which he wanted to convert the bike back to 2x free of charge as a gesture of good faith. Initially he told me he has already bought replacement cranks to convert back to a double ring, but later said that he was planning on buying them and wanted money to cover them.

    (Someone correct me of im wrong) The first picture he sent of the cranks through the BB you can see that the frame seems to have resprayed. There are streak marks on the downtube, overspray on the BB, the boardman sticker which was on the front seat tube just above the bb weld is no longer there. This wasn't how the bike was sold, how can we be sure that he's not tried to remove the cranks before painting or done something to cause this.

    You need to understand that from my point of view there is no way that these cranks should have fallen off and how am i to know that i'm not just being mugged off after he's done something to cause this, i mentioned that if he was on a budget he could opt for cheaper hollowtech cranks of which there are plenty available and offered to send bits to complete the build but was reluctant to send money. By the looks of the pictures the splines they seem fine besides one or two which could have been damaged as a result of being ridden whilst loose. They normally are quite stiff it's possible the person trying to reassemble hasn't given them a little tap as grams suggest.

    Someone suggested that the black tape on the frame was suspect and i wholeheartedly agree, i'd assume the same if i were looking at a picture but i assure you that it was to cover the slightly horrific decals - on the top tube and the fork - from when i was racing and that these can be seen in photos of me racing the frame. It's peeling because it's been on there for years. I mentioned this at the time.

    As for the matter of accepting a bank transfer, I apologise if i've broken forum rules but like i said, i've bought and sold loads of items on here, i'm sure there are people here who can vouch as much and i've often been asked to accept or pay via bank transfer so I assumed it was safe to do so.

    I won't continue after this post because i think it's a waste of everyone's time but i'll leave a thought. If i buy a used car from a private seller and a week later something breaks i don't go back to them demanding a refund to cover it. It's part of buying used. I make sure to check over it first and if i spot any issues we can address them right away.

    Like i said, i've used this forum for years and bought and sold wheels, frames, drivetrain bits etc there are loads of people who could vouch for me as an agreeable seller and buyer. I'm sorry that this has happened and hopefully he can get it sorted but i won't be sending any money back which i don't believe to be unjust and i'm sure there are many others who in my position would do similarly. I'm sorry if this causes offense to anyone one the forum or if I've broken forums rules, this was never my intention and i'm happy to speak to an admin if need be.

  • Fair response. I will edit my post.

  • The first picture he sent of the cranks through the BB you can see that the frame seems to have resprayed. There are streak marks on the downtube, overspray on the BB, the boardman sticker which was on the front seat tube just above the bb weld is no longer there

    Plot. Thickens.

  • In the photo of the non drive side there’s so little axle sticking out of the bb that I have doubts about whether you’d get the preload bolt to engage the thread.

    With the preload bolt in place you can get pretty far with the pinch bolts left loose. I know because I once wrecked an XT crankset by riding to and halfway home from work before noticing I’d not done up the pinch bolts. The left hand crank was trashed and the spines were in considerably worse condition than those pictured here.

    I consider regularly checking the torque on all fasteners an essential part of maintenance on bikes I’ve built myself, there’s no chance I’d be putting my faith in the strength of someone else’s wrist and taking a bike out for a single ride never mind two weeks of riding.

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  • I sent you an e mail yesterday..... Check your mail?

  • Nothing...try again? Or on LFGSS DM's.

  • Try re-sending

  • All resolved. No bad traders here!

  • Hiya, did anything come of this?
    I bought something from this user 5 months ago and haven't had a reply to any PM's. They've posted in threads since. I think they just aren't seeing my message so have posted in the sales thread in the hopes it'll pop up in their feed.

  • The guy I posted about?

    If so, he came through, apologised and refunded

  • Yeah same person. I think they're just not seeing PMs.

  • Any idea how I might be able to get hold of said person?

  • wish to flag up @Scaramagai as a bad trader.

    Bought a group set off him. Turned up filthy and missing pinch bolts. Not too bothered by the filth, that’s easily fixed, but missing fundamental parts - not cool. Tried emailing directly and via LFGSS messaging but met with silence for over a week now.
    Can’t recommend him.

  • A confusing recent experience with @Biggles567

    Item sold not as described (I should have done a better job of checking over at the exchange), when I contacted him to raise this, all was amicable and a refund was offered, which I thought was very decent of him.

    However, after the initial suggested date/time didn't work, have been met with radio silence for the past fortnight while trying to arrange to meet, both via DM and text.

    Edit: this was all resolved amicably!

  • i messaged you on sms like 10 days ago no?

  • scratch that i didn't, my bad. Had it in my head i responded then forgot.
    Sorry, will send something now

  • What’s the forum-approved length of time to not hear anything from a seller before mentioning on here? I’m disinclined to @ people here too quickly at the moment, as I know there are all sorts of reasons why people might be indisposed/distracted/really busy but also I want my stuff :-)

  • Paid and nothing turned up in the post?

  • Paid I think about 10 days ago, which was acknowledged. No item in post and no response from seller (no activity on their profile since their last message to me, but I don't know if they've logged in since then or not). I've emailed the address linked to their PayPal too.
    (I did 'goods and services' so i'm not worried about the money in the long run.)

    Edit: I realise 10 days isn’t that long. I checked in with the seller to see if it had been posted as I’d got a couple of missed deliveries and the depot seemed in confusion over how many parcels they had for my address - I wanted to try and work out what was due.

  • Comms now established so I’m happy

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