Why are people so down on the police?

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  • Don't worry about challenging it, they've made a nice report recently letting everyone know that police racism is no longer an issue and we can all carry on. 🙄

  • Can you get the building owner and your boss to complain that it is a private car park with secure entry?

  • Sorry to hear it's happened again, B, and in such idiotic ways. :(

  • It's not a consolation given the contemptible people involved with it, but that report isn't going to age well, whether it's an official Government report or not. It's simply much too weak. You can do this sort of whitewash if the opposing positions are closer and there's more of an opportunity to sow confusion, but you can't do it when the truth is so blatantly different from the contents of the report. I mean, it'll take a few years, and quite probably won't happen under a Tory government, but it will be repudiated.

  • The UK ( and other countries) is/are institutionally racist. The police are one of the institutions and instruments of it.

    Saw an article where some University big cheese was saying Unis are institutionally racist, well duh!

    Not a dig at you but a minor annoyance.

  • Damn sorry dude that is so shitty. How did the justify following you onto gated private property to conduct the search?

  • That's so fucking disgusting.

  • They weren't aware (or gave the impression that they weren't) that I had just buzzed them into the yard, it takes a while for the gate to close. I did point out how ridiculous this was, but in reality, they'll ignore it and say anything in their power (or above it) to secure a search on me. I'm honestly going to look up this section of legislation they keep slapping on me and have a read.
    They must have not known, because when the gate closed and I asked if they knew how they were going to get out, they just said no and had a bewildered look on their faces. Someone more level headed might have the wit to let them walk around in circles until they find the door release switch. I, however, wanted them gone asap so showed them the way. Also because I wouldn't tell them the name of the business I work for or which unit it was, they'd have sat there for a minute to watch me access the building, I'd rather they fuck off.
    They were really persistent with the questions, got asked for my name, date of birth, place of birth numerous times, as if I'd give in somehow.

  • Me and my brother got stopped because we matched the details of someone who stole some meat from the local co op (the one my wife worked at and I’m also vegan). Wouldn’t give my name or details, ended up on the curb in cuffs. I’m a white lad so it’s only happened the once. My heart goes out to my non white brothers and sisters. It makes me sick they are expanding stop and search again.

    Edit: I say bothers and sister because I’m a Socialist, not trying to use it in the American way for people of marginalised communities

  • I'm not sure the cops I've come in contact with ever felt like they couldn't find a way to search someone if they want. I'm almost always on the defensive (as is my right) and ask if I'm being detained and what powers are being used to enforce this, they always, always have an answer. The easiest one is "well, you seem to be hiding something/nervous/uncompliant, this makes you suspicious to us, so it gives grounds for a search under section [cunty unrelated section of law that almost definitely doesn't apply]"
    I honestly think that even if I had a copy of the section they're trying to stick me with and a solid defence against it, they'd still search me, and I'd still have no way to prevent it.

  • this sucks man, big strength from you for not giving into their questioning and showing them the door in a situation like that.

  • All they would do is arrest you for spurious reasons, then they have the right to that information.

    Here are the details for stop and search by the way from liberty. https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/ad­vice_information/stop-and-search/

    Liberty (I believe) are the group that give out cards informing of your rights at demonstrations.

  • Bustcards are usually from the G+BC, but Liberty are good people too.

  • I am old, white and middle class despite my current job being a manual one. I have only once been briefly detained for spurious reasons (being in possession of a sports car plod didn't recognise after 11pm, with added shite about a member of the public reporting me for leaving a pub car park, which I had never been in), I remember how that felt. I wish there were a way to apologise to everyone less white than me for the appalling attitude of our 'finest' who endure this garbage on a regular basis. I can't even imagine how the justified anger over persecution for being in possession of the 'wrong' skin colour must affect anyone.

  • Ugh, sorry this happened to you. It must be incredibly frustrating, I can't even really begin to imagine.

    I know it's an anecdotal experience on my half (also backed up by data) but when I'm out working almost every single time I see a car pulled over with the police searching it, there's a bored/annoyed/frustrated looking person of colour by the side of the road putting up with the police questions.

    The polices relationship with the whole of the public is incredibly bad I think, obviously considerably worse with the black community. I think you'd be hard pushed to find a non-tory voter who had a good overall opinion of the police. It's not sustainable but they don't seem to care and just seem to want to double down.

  • Sorry, this is irrelevant to this but who gave the paper credit card sized card with your rights but no solicitor number.

  • Recently been seeing a few posts on humour police sites, that have been shared by friends on facebook, that the PCSO that was murdered is not getting the attention that Sarah Everard did.

  • just out of curiosity, why are people not wanting to give their details to the police when asked?

  • just out of curiosity, why are people not wanting to give their details to the police when asked?

    I don't think I'd mind. But then I've never been asked. And as a white, middle class bloke then I probably don't get picked out and asked for details just because I happen to be there.

    I expect if I was asked frequently, and seemingly without reason (or the reason was always akin to 'someone who looks a bit like you did something' or 'we just want to check you should be here') then I'd be less than impressed.

  • Would you give your details to anyone just because they asked for them? Assuming you wouldn't, then the only reason to give them to the police is because you believe they have a good reason to ask for them and are not motivated by prejudice. When your experience is that neither of these are true, then why would you want to give your details to the police anymore than to some random in the street?

  • I wouldn't give my details easily (am white + middle aged)

    But I used to ask ticket inspectors for ID on trains before providing a ticket.

  • I get people are pissed off with it but if police asked I would give it, they're not just anyone on the street. i used to get pulled over in my car a lot for the same sort of reason, how I looked and the type of car I was driving. not the same as being singled out by ethnicity I know but it was based on appearances and nothing else. I didn't see an issue with telling them who I was, giving ID etc, I don't know what would actually happen from giving it though? thats more my question, the belief of what them having your name, address etc will lead to.

    I work in an equally unpopular with the public, public service job and we have to routinely ask for peoples name and date of birth a just as a first step. theres nothing malicious in it and we do get people refusing and it usually is defensive but I've always wondered what is behind that reluctance. it almost always rings alarm bells, such as something they have done is wrong and the way they present themselves by arguing over it. this happens over the phone so its not like you can really judge the person even if you wanted to at this stage.

  • Not sure what you do but a fair few scams run on the phone where they ask for personal details, maybe people are scared of that?

  • I work for children's social services so people automatically assume their kids are going to get adopted off, which doesn't tend to happen unless things are at the most extreme and even then it takes years and is a last resort. people often call us first asking for help then don't want to say who they are, which is even more perplexing

  • They seem very keen to stop and search based on colour but reluctant to follow up cases with reasonable evidence:

    https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic­/air-pistol-shot-out-of-car-assault-with­out-injury/page/5/

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