Recommend a protein supplement?

Both milk and almond milk have some * carbs.

Does the powerbar mix have carbs other than those coming from milk whey?

I honestly have no idea.

This is how skimmed MyProtein vs SkimmedMilkPowder stack up. The MyProtein is per 90g ('cus that's the info I could get hold of).

MyProtein Recovery XS

Per 90g:
Energy: 275.9Kcal
Protein (as-is): 24.3g
Carbohydrates: 50.2g
Fat: 0.3g

Skimmed Milk Powder

Per 100g:
Energy: 358Kcal
Protein (as-is): 35g
Carbohydrates: 52g
Fat: 0.7g

The milk has Calcium, vitamin B-12, Magnesium and a bit of vit C. MyProtein might do too. Both have Glutamine.

doing the maths: 1800g / 90g servings = 20 ... not any cheaper than what I am already using.

Well, what are you paying now?

More-or-less the same

This is how skimmed MyProtein vs SkimmedMilkPowder stack up. The MyProtein is per 90g ('cus that's the info I could get hold of).

MyProtein Recovery XS

Per 90g:
Energy: 275.9Kcal
Protein (as-is): 24.3g
Carbohydrates: 50.2g
Fat: 0.3g

Skimmed Milk Powder

Per 100g:
Energy: 358Kcal
Protein (as-is): 35g
Carbohydrates: 52g
Fat: 0.7g

The milk has Calcium, vitamin B-12, Magnesium and a bit of vit C. MyProtein might do too. Both have Glutamine.

Brilliant - thanks for taking the time to look into that.

From the Tesco website:

Skimmed milk (not powder) on the left? What's that on the right?

both for powder: http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=267377676

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread.
Calling it misinformation is pehaps unfairly generous. See any thread involving broscience, nutritionists, and/or sports "science".

Calling it misinformation is pehaps unfairly generous. See any thread.

ftfy

welcome to the internet.

More-or-less the same

I'm calling shenanigans.

Where can you get Powerbar shit cheaper than £13.50/kg?

you can't - but I'm working purely on servings.

Powerbar - 1.25kg tub = 22 servings
My Protein - 1.8kg tub = 20 servings

I'm almost disappointed you did not PM me dan...

weeps

sorry bro - you are still my go-to nutrition guy. x

Unless you weren't eating a protein source...

Almost anything is a protein source.

Bread = Protein
Potatoes = Protein

Protein is quite hard to avoid, you may not be getting much of it with certain foods. But you will get some, and some is all you need to function. I have a friend who is a vegan who eats very little yet he does mad rides. Recently he rode 321miles in 21 hours 40 minutes.
Unless you want to be swole, then you really do not need much.

I'm currently using the PHD pharma whey and extra BCAA capsules on the recommendation of my flat mate who is a personal trainer and ripped. Can't comment on price (used his discount card, £65 ~ 2.27kg, 90 servs @ 18.5g protein) but it tastes better than most I've tried.

Anyone used Glutamine?

Beta alanine worked for anyone (coupled with creatine and taurine)?

Don't listen to DFP btw people, I'm sure he means well but his posts are almost always based on wild assumptions and pointless anecdotes.

There is evidence to suggest that Beta Alanine can assist with endurance training. Athletes who have used it say they have experienced an increased ability to go longer during hard efforts (good for getting over that last 250 in a kilo for example) I've used it myself with no ill effects. Creatine also 'works' but it's main characteristic seems to be helping to retain water around muscles (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). I'm not sure why anyone would want to throw taurine in the mix here though!?

L-glutamine has been said to give a similar effect to creatine, but the evidence hasn't really backed it up. YMMV.

Be careful with mixing supps like creatine and beta alanine, you need to research them really to see if combining them is going to be more negative than positive. They can be quite dependent on being used at the correct time, depending on the individual.

Creatine also 'works' but it's main characteristic seems to be helping to retain water around muscles (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). I'm not sure why anyone would want to throw taurine in the mix here though!?

L-glutamine has been said to give a similar effect to creatine, l.

Call me out for lazy anecdotal posts, but wtf is this clusterfuck of nonsense?

I am lazy too, I admit it. But you just called me out and did exactly the same thing yourself.

Creatine is perhaps the most useful supplement for athletes (particular those who require strength) as it provides a direct energy source to muscle cells. Allowing a significant boost in ability to perform repeated maximum efforts, exactly the what you need in the weight room, and things like track cycling and athletics.
It is the least "bullshit" supplement out there. It gives a significant edge of what you can achieve with diet. I am shocked you just dismissed it as something that makes you hold water. You sound like teenage curl bro at the gym, who heard that it makes your 'bicepts' look bigger.

Taurine is an essential substance, we dont need to supplement but if it is included in something then it cant hurt. It also reduces anxiety which maybe useful if you are chugging energy drinks at a competition of some sort.

I read through just as many academic papers as the next guy, but sports science research is of notoriously poor quality, very dubiously designed studies and therefore results. So you can never be sure of anything without experience either from yourself, collating anecdotal information from thousands of people (via teh internetz) or people you know and trust. I can show you academic papers from the finest universities that will prove almost anything about nutrition or training protocols. You really need to absorb as much anecdotal/personal experience as possible to be able to dissect any useful information from them.

The Function of creatine is very simple to understand (and NOT AT ALL like L-glutamine!), some other things might require a phd in biochemistry to even get a grasp of, a good academic professional would not claim to even mostly understand some of these things, which is the reason why there is continual research.

So I think you know just as well as I, that applying logic, common sense, known facts and anecdotal info/experience is the best we can do.

I was simplifying the most common facts and research behind those supplements just to answer those guys questions. I didn't intend to write a comprehensive list of every alleged function and process. There's a very different meaning to the words 'function' and 'effect'!

Your description of Taurine shows why I would never take anything you say too seriously DFP, don't take things so personally BTW.

Might be of use:

What's so great about the ambiguity around sport 'science' is I can be a right hippy – drink green tea, an espresso, eat a 'nana and some nuts and I'm virtually doping.

Obviously the supplement manufacturers will disagree with a lot on that chart.

Almost anything is a protein source.
Bread = Protein
Potatoes = Protein
Protein is quite hard to avoid, you may not be getting much of it with certain foods. But you will get some, and some is all you need to function. I have a friend who is a vegan who eats very little yet he does mad rides. Recently he rode 321miles in 21 hours 40 minutes.
Unless you want to be swole, then you really do not need much.

Bait taken.

Great success. /borat

The original question was asked with 24hr racing in mind where it's quite easy for me to have little to no protein.

Brioche works for me.

I do get through a lot of creatine. Makes your muscles swell at the gym.

Brazil nuts.

Caffeine in all the things. Must track down some caffeine containing brioche.