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  • What bikes etc. were you gents on? My first time TTing.
    They give you just a flat time for the 10 miles IIRC.

  • I'm not sure - it's all done on paper so I don't know how accurate they are for non-final laps.
    If you're using a garmin, set it up to auto lap by distance (position can work but I found it got confused by the proximity of the lanes - last week it said I did 21 laps)!

  • Every time I've been able to ride it, the event has been Vets only.
    Don't wait for any 'fats only' events, they won't happen.

  • What bikes etc. were you gents on? My first time TTing.
    They give you just a flat time for the 10 miles IIRC.

    i was on a black ribble with red detailing. i was wearing white radio shack jersey and team discovery shorts. one guy said 'you're brave for wearing a team discovery kit' which made me laugh.

  • I spied the radioshack.

  • haha come on then aren't you going to out yourself as well. it was you in the aero recumbent wasn't it

  • If only. Red/black Fuji. 3T/Castelli kit - B&W. Theres a photo of me looking super aero somewhere...

    edit: there it is!


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  • If only. Red/black Fuji. 3T/Castelli kit - B&W.

    haha the funny thing is i think i saw the castrelli/3T kit and was going to pop over and say hi but then something else popped up and sods law i didnt say hello. next time i'll make myself known

  • Next week...
    Lot's of photos of you on the LVCC FB page DH!

  • Yes and my super un-aero position! Good use of motion blur though ;)

  • I'm now feeling a strange mixture of shit scared and excited about this Sundays 100. I rode 115 solo last week, with the last 90k over my anticipated race pace, with no aero kit to help me out, so I'm pretty confident I can do it, I've still got a tough training schedule for today and tomorrow to get through then it's a gentle swim on Saturday and I'm all good.

    I'm doing a 10 tonight to hopefully shake down the bike one more time and to get a measure of what my threshold power is, and plan to ride at 85% for the first 70 miles and see where that gets me.

    I'm the last to go out of the 5 of us racing together, so I just need to remember that I don't want to and shouldn't catch any of them in the first lap!

    I can carry 3 bottles on my bike so I'll have to stash some water somewhere convenient and the forfeit for dnf'ing in our group is water boy duty!

    My skinsuit hasn't arrived so I'm just going to ride in bib shorts and a tight jersey rather than try to do it in a tri suit with basically no padding and have to wear something on top anyway!

    Is anyone else going/taking part?

    It seems like a pretty big field!

  • I'm doing a 10 tonight to hopefully shake down the bike one more time and to get a measure of what my threshold power is, and plan to ride at 85% for the first 70 miles and see where that gets me.
    !

    I'd be tempted to go in lower, power wise, and turn it up. Rather than go in high and then blow.

    That way you'll finish, and hopefully enjoy it. Rather than something going wrong.

    Next time you'll know what is more suited to you.

    85% isn't a bad place to start. But It's hard. And I'd guess it's not going to be a 3h40-50 effort.

  • Next week...
    Lot's of photos of you on the LVCC FB page DH!

    Yes, LV is getting quite good @ Facebook

    Thanks for your compliments, I was the one shouting finish at you last night. I am still waiting for number 69 to come past .

    We did have times available last night and hope, if we can get use of one of the meeting rooms, to have them on a board next week

    Look forward to seeing you next week.

  • I'd guess it's not going to be a 3h40-50 effort.

    Based on tonight's performance, 4h50m is probably nearer the mark.

  • I'm now feeling a strange mixture of shit scared and excited about this Sundays 100. I rode 115 solo last week, with the last 90k over my anticipated race pace, with no aero kit to help me out, so I'm pretty confident I can do it, I've still got a tough training schedule for today and tomorrow to get through then it's a gentle swim on Saturday and I'm all good.

    I'm doing a 10 tonight to hopefully shake down the bike one more time and to get a measure of what my threshold power is, and plan to ride at 85% for the first 70 miles and see where that gets me.

    I'm the last to go out of the 5 of us racing together, so I just need to remember that I don't want to and shouldn't catch any of them in the first lap!

    I can carry 3 bottles on my bike so I'll have to stash some water somewhere convenient and the forfeit for dnf'ing in our group is water boy duty!

    My skinsuit hasn't arrived so I'm just going to ride in bib shorts and a tight jersey rather than try to do it in a tri suit with basically no padding and have to wear something on top anyway!

    Is anyone else going/taking part?

    It seems like a pretty big field!

    I'm sure you'll be fine. I wouldn't worry about aero kit for a first attempt at the distance - you'll be onto a p.b. just as long as you get to the finish timekeeper.

    The amount of drink you need will obviously depend on the temperature. I generally needed two bottles, but Martyn Roach, once comp. record holder and national champion, and who should be out at the event on Sunday, used to ride 100's without drinking or eating anything. This is a good example of how theories change over time - even Martyn now wonders how much faster he might have gone if he'd followed the modern view about eating and drinking. However, to do a 3.51 hundred on the Bath Road in 1968 without anything aerodynamic suggests he must have been doing something right.

    I should be out at the event, but I'm afraid I've got too many jobs to do to offer much help. I'll try to get some pictures for you, and let's hope we're able to speak back at the HQ after the finish.

    In the meantime: Good Luck.

    Here's my preview of the event.

    **Preview: The Ron Brown Memorial 100 (Sunday 25th May 2014) **

    This year’s event is exceptional – it has attracted 136 entries.

    This has been caused, in part at least, because it is the Veteran Time Trials Association national championship for this distance, but it seems clear that this is not the only factor since a large proportion of the entrants are fairly local. Therefore it seems fair to say that the view that modern riders are only interested in the shorter distances is not supported by this entry.

    Although one hundred miles is still a long way, not all of the competitors are going to be out on the road for a great amount of time, since there are eighteen riders with qualifying times inside four hours. There is also a significant number of entrants with no hundred times, but whose performances at shorter distances make them likely candidates for 25 mph rides on Sunday. Among those who have already got close to the magic four hour mark and who must aspire to beating it in this event are the current ladies End to End record holder, Lynne Biddulph (nee Taylor no. 126) with a previous time of 4.00.57 and the Hounslow’s own Nic Stagg (122) whose current best of 4.01.31 was done while he still thought of himself as a short distance rider – a view which he comprehensively disproved in last September’s Kent 12. We wish them both good luck.

    Spectators may wish to give a special cheer to the oldest man in the field, Bob Loader (10) who admits to 81 years of age.

    Adam Topham (140) must be the favourite since he has the fastest qualifying time (3.37.51) and has won the event for the past three years. However, breathing down his neck are Jon Wynn (130) with a qualifying time of 3.39.22 and Steve Irwin (120) who is on almost the same mark with 3.39.43. In addition there are several others who could produce exceptional rides on the day.

    The first rider starts at 8. 05 a.m., and Mr. Topham will leave the timekeeper at 9.20. The course is the A31 road between Farnham and Alton. We hope to see you there for a great morning’s sport.

  • If I wasn't training I'd be out to watch/help.

  • I'm doing a 10 tonight to hopefully shake down the bike one more time and to get a measure of what my threshold power is, and plan to ride at 85% for the first 70 miles and see where that gets me.

    Is anyone else going/taking part?

    Hey Ed, I remember doing the London Tri with you. I'm going. As skinny said re-power. I recommend lower maybe 70-75% of FTP. You'll know all about it after 3 hrs!

    Clubman: Don't forget about Mark 'Pnut' Arnold off 110. I think he's capable of a 3:30 on a good day.

  • Never done the London Tri, so perhaps not me!

    I'll take the advice into account and reduce my target, not sure whether to use a 20 minute power test i did 2 weeks ago (220) or my power from this weeks 10 mile tt (255 * .95 = 240) this weeks makes more sense as i've been averaging around 210 for long rides but it feels like a big jump!

    thoughts?

  • You average 210 for long rides but only 255 for a 20min TT?

    How 'long' are your long rides?

  • I'd try around .75 and then turn it up if it's too easy after an hour, then turn it up again, then again.

    .75 isn't easy, especially if it's for 4.5-5h.


    The .85 recommendation may be coming from people who only need do 3.5 -4h and have also been training a lot longer so holding a higher % of FTP is easier.

  • You're right Ed. It wasn't you but you posted looking for a rider to join 2 of your mates in a composite team and I rode for them.
    I guess you'll use the same power measuring device for the 100 as the 10 so I'd go with that. Then 93% to make FTP and 75% for the 100 makes about 180W

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  • You average 210 for long rides but only 255 for a 20min TT?

    How 'long' are your long rides?

    80-100 miles

  • You're right Ed. It wasn't you but you posted looking for a rider to join 2 of your mates in a composite team and I rode for them.
    I guess you'll use the same power measuring device for the 100 as the 10 so I'd go with that. Then 93% to make FTP and 75% for the 100 makes about 180W

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    Ah yes, i remember!

    Yes, will be using my Garmin Vectors, same as i tested on before, the difference is that i'm not on a busted old turbo trainer thats running at 105 decibels!

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