Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

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  • What sort of mileage are you talking about?

  • Ta, I filled out their web contact form.

  • I get all of that, but there's room for a more interesting design while maintaining the same slipperiness, even the same shape. Without shit-vents.

  • but there's room for a more interesting design while maintaining the same slipperiness, even the same shape

    And yet the collective design budget of all the global car companies currently disagrees. Tesla's design, whether you're a fan or not, is the most efficient.

    Maybe if you're able to deliver that design, you're sitting on a billion dollar idea!

  • Just in for a little rear end knock. 56k mileage Hilux, one careful owner. I think that sound deadening material poking out if the bonnet.


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  • Tetanus feels a bit underdressed now…

    Chaley


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  • That needs an exorcist, not a detailer.

  • You know it's fast because some of the bits are purple.

  • I read up about this a while ago. Here's a comparison of a few cars drag coefficients:

    Model S: 0.24
    Model Y: 0.23
    Model 3: 0.23

    Prius: 0.29
    Leaf: 0.28
    VW id3: 0.26

    Compare this to the Mercedes W124 that managed 0.26 (source) even though it's a 90's box

  • Congrats! Enjoy it, I'm both jealous and not in equal amounts.

  • Headlamps are supposed to look like that, they're actually relatively new, Neil bought new units about 5ish years ago.

  • Currently 345 000 km's or 214 373 miles

    I paid £2k for it so it was quite a bargain. Market price at this milage in Sweden is £3.5-4k. Perfect service history, 2 owners (I know the last one), very well looked after. The vast majority of the miles comes from 200km / 120 mile trips or longer.

  • What does 0.02-0.06 equate to irl?

    0.1mpg? 1mpg? 10mpg?

  • Some older cars just don't have the right lacquer/UV protection, so they will always fade. You can delay the fade with wax and ceramic coating to add UV protection but it will always fade, like the Volvo has. Neil I think planned on having it resprayed if he'd have kept it, which I intended to do as well, but now is not the right time financially. The respray would add the right clear coat to stop it fading in the future. Obviously the problem with repeated machine polishing is the paint depth will get lower and lower until there's no red paint left.

  • I've had a quote of 5kish to do the paint properly but there's a lot of extra costs involved because you don't want to put old trim on fresh paint, but then not all the trims are available, and that's the start of the rabbit hole.

  • No idea :)

    But comparing it in percentages, going from 0.29 to 0.26 is probably quite hard, and 0.23 even harder

  • The Mercedes CLA is/was allegedly also 0.23, although that's disputed by Musk bootli Tesla enthusiasts.

    @hugo7 What does 0.2-0.6 equate to irl?

    Drag coefficients are really only fun for Top Trumps. What you really need is CdA (total drag) to know the actual energy lost to aero drag. Plus the efficiency of the drivetrain and and all the other bits is going to be as important for overall mpg (or its electric equivalent).

  • ^ this is true.

    Worth noting that the aero rims on the Tesla are worth about 5% in range all by themselves so aero really does deliver real world performance increases.

  • I've had a quote of 5kish to do the paint properly but there's a lot of extra costs involved because you don't want to put old trim on fresh paint, but then not all the trims are available, and that's the start of the rabbit hole.

    I admit, I was going to paint the existing trim black rather than source new, just as long as said trim came off without disintegrating.

    I've been chatting with a company called Augment wheels in Canada, one of the things they do which is quite cool is to remake classic wheels but in modern diameters and offsets, so for e.g. with the 911 I'm thinking of getting the classic hollow-spoke Turbo Twists made, but in 19" and probably ET50 front and rear, 8.5" front and 11" rear.

    I think the 850 would look very cool on 18" Volans that were a little further toward the guard, it's the kind of change that would have people scratching their heads - something's different, but really hard to work out what it is.

    I'd be largely doing it to fit 380mm brake discs and AP callipers, but the "what's gone on here" element is attractive on its own.

  • Srs Bsns. #oof 😎


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  • 42k? My view is that at 42k it's new enough that I'd say "do almost everything" and not expect very much. I'd push them to replace control arm bushing, rubber items, ask about engine mount bushings, etc.

    I might splurge on new suspension set up but for that sort of car its probably quite pricey and I'd see if bushings do the trick until a later date.

    Why no pictures?

  • Tim was showing me his car with the wider rear track so it's square rather than wider at the front, and that's exactly the sort of thing I like. It instantly looks so much better, but it's hard to pinpoint exactly what's making it look better.

    I wouldn't be averse to slim spacers to push the front wheels out or aftermarket wheels in a touring car flavour, but then it ruins the existing aesthetic.

  • https://www.carfolio.com/search/specific­/?searchon=cdb&asp=&y1=&y2=&num=500

    Looks like Tesla is a way down the list for Cd - they don't have Tesla CdA on that site, although they do for various other cars.

  • Details on this please. From the subsequent pic you posted, is it Zetec powered?

  • Tim was showing me his car with the wider rear track so it's square rather than wider at the front, and that's exactly the sort of thing I like. It instantly looks so much better, but it's hard to pinpoint exactly what's making it look better.

    I wouldn't be averse to slim spacers to push the front wheels out or aftermarket wheels in a touring car flavour, but then it ruins the existing aesthetic.

    The wheels I always wanted were the Tritons - 18" BBS mesh that are OEM Volvo.

    However, square 18" Volans would look cool I think.

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