Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

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  • Ooh, a good left field suggestion. I've seen a total of 1 in aus. Pity.

  • A neighbour has a tidy looking 18 plate 540i m sport touring, and it looks to be just as quick as the 07 m5 but without the frisson of it spontaneously burning itself to death (or any of the accompanying warbley fun).

  • Jaguar XFR-S Sportbrake.

    Much as I love an E class estate, I think the Jaguar is nicer. And has that whole Tour de France thing.

    I think the only petrol ones they made were the demo machines for motoring journalists, I've never seen a non-derv version for sale.

  • A neighbour has a tidy looking 18 plate 540i m sport touring, and it looks to be just as quick as the 07 m5 but without the frisson of it spontaneously burning itself to death (or any of the accompanying warbley fun).

    2018 540i M-Sport touring

    Almost the same price as the E63, but gives away 200 horsepower.

  • Two years younger though.

  • The ones I hastily googled were sub-5 second 0-60s, wonder why that one isn't. But yes, no comparison on the horsepower.

  • Well, I got my Certificate of Conformity from Porsche to try to register my old 911 for the ULEZ.

    Got it in the post this morning - apparently the 'Abgasverhalten' for Nox + HC is 0.187g/km, and Nox alone is 0.035g/km. I'm not actually sure which the ULEZ measures, but the figure to beat for a petrol car is, I believe, 0.25g/km. So either way it should be compliant.

    On to the TFL side of the operation, which I suspect will be less simple...

  • The supercharged V8s were petrol. As you say, all the others (in the UK) were derv.

  • Yes, and in a few years of sporadic looking I’ve never seen one for sale.

    My C55 is now for sale- it’s on 99,001 miles, it’s in the best condition that I can achieve by throwing lots of money at it, two sets of wheels (18” summer, 17” winter).

    If I get the £16,000 asking then I’ll replace the rear Pirelli P-Zero tyres on the summer wheels and leave the Thule aero-bars on the roof rails.

    5.4 litre petrol V8, 380 bhp and monstrous torque, fantastic stereo, OCD maintenance regime.

    I had some minor paint correction stuff planned for next year, and maybe upgrading the stereo so that it has Bluetooth streaming and DAB. Other than that it should be standard maintenance stuff for a good few years.


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  • So hard to value, especially with so little stock for sale in the second hand market right now to be able to compare. If I wasn't piling money into a knackered old e34 I'd be interested.

    I know you've spent a boatload and I'm not sure there's a better person to buy a car from so good luck with the sale. Does this mean you're set on the E63?

  • I hired a red one of these in aus and was surprised at how much better it was than the commodores i remember.

  • oops - catching up. sorry

  • Good luck with the sale.. An E63 Estate is a lovely thing. Are you going to tune for more power? 800 bhp seems possible!

  • So hard to value, especially with so little stock for sale in the second hand market right now to be able to compare. If I wasn't piling money into a knackered old e34 I'd be interested.

    I know you've spent a boatload and I'm not sure there's a better person to buy a car from so good luck with the sale. Does this mean you're set on the E63?

    There are a couple on eBay right now, both on 150,000 miles and both at £9,000.

    One of the members of MB Club UK had one of those inspected - the inspection came back as "do NOT buy this car, the odometer reads 125,000 but the onboard computer says 260,000".

    And, for your £9,000, you get this lot:

    Battery negative loose - refitted
    Pollen filter case incorrectly fitted - refitted
    Battery clamp missing
    Heater flap clicking on start up
    Parking sensors inop
    Top rocker covers leaking oil
    Headlights clouding over and have condensation inside
    Both front fog lights showing water ingress
    N S F jacking point missing
    O S inner arch panel not fitted correctly
    Headlight level link broken (previously been cable tied)
    N S F arch liner damaged
    N S R brake binding
    Rear arches rusting
    Both front torque arm bushes psplit
    O S R box joints splitting
    Outside temp sensors inop - no plugs visible
    General rust to rear end - see photos

    Then you move onto Japanese imports - lower mileage and (crucially) no rust underneath to the floor and the subframe, they're £14,000 landed, but then you need to sort the stereo, fog-lights, and of course get it thoroughly undersealed to survive in the UK, and they'll never be worth what a UK car is.

    Which is why I initially thought £16,000 sounded fair.

  • I reckon £16,000 is more than fair - you are just going to have to be patient. IT is always going to take the right buyer at that end of the market.

  • No, tempting as it is I’ll keep it 100% stock and likely get it serviced by MB- so that it can be fixed by MB anywhere in Europe using stock parts, should it have an issue whilst I am for e.g. in Austria.

  • Deffo sounds reasonable. It’s the fucked thing about selling cars second hand - it’s hard to convey that something has actually been looked after. Because even people who totally fuck their cars often think they’ve looked after them.

    Guess it’ll just be someone who understands that it’s got plenty life in it.

  • The load bed in the E63 with the rear seats down is 198cm X 110cm, which is why I'm changing, other than that I really like the C55 which is why I've spent so much £$£$ on it.

    As you say, it's making others understand that it's not a shitter that is always the issue.

  • Have you tried getting Motorway to quote? Surprisingly easy process and got more than I was asking for.

  • I have not, but will give it a go. I tried the Autotrader "what's my car worth as PX?" feature and it said "£3,500" IIRC, so I'm not very hopeful!

  • Well, more than Autotrader, but not quite what I had in mind:


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  • Ha. Might be worth giving them a call. Their "premium sales team" are good at working with harder to find cars.

  • I suspect they'll want to work with stuff that's newer and higher value tbh, my car is more the realm of specialist performance car dealers who deal with modern classic type stuff.

  • As you’re after a European cruiser, and LHD is advantageous here, have you tried looking in Germany, Spain or the Netherlands?

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