Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

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  • they have notoriously unpredictable handling also don't they?

    Think this was more the AP1 than AP2.

  • Aren't all UK cars AP1s? AP2 refers to the US market car with the 2.2 engine.

    Post 2004 face lift cars are still an AP1, granted they changed the spec from 04 and again from 06 but they're still an AP1?

  • You know more than me, although I always thought the AP2 was considered an improvement in terms of handling. Either way I'd love to own both.

  • Any UK car post 2004 has suspension changes which made it more predictable i think.

    My Dad worked for Honda for a while and then a friend of mine had an S2000 for a really long time, it was hard to not absorb some of their nerd factor for it

  • Some nice old things spotted on my morning anti cabin fever walk. Lovely clean and original 1.6 escort and a vanguard wagon. Never seen one before.


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  • There were many claims of sudden oversteer, drove a friends a few times and it was fine. Hence my comment of running out of talent The s2000 were classed as mid engined as the engine is behind the front wheels? So handled differently to the usual front wheel drive and caught people out.

  • Allegedly if the V-TEC kicked in half way round a bend, it could break traction at the back end and suddenly you are up close and personal with the scenery (especially in the wet). As stated the suspension updates half way through the production run were supposed to help. I've seen articles though that said it was hard to provoke this behaviour unless you were driving like a complete knob.

  • I've seen articles though that said it was hard to provoke this behaviour unless you were driving like a complete knob.

    You have identified the problem

  • Hence my essex comment.

  • 2wd sierra cosworths were just as bad, they were prone to coming on boost mid bend at medium speeds as you went from 2nd to 3rd

  • Or even worse, the Porsche 930, the original 911 Turbo. Killer turbo lag, very little in the way of boost management, and pretty much no way back once it's all started to go wrong.

  • True, but I bet it was exciting to drive a car nicknamed the widow-maker.

  • I thought that was the 993 GT2?

  • I think the 996 GT2 was the last truly dangerous Porsche 911 road car, a lineage that started with the 930, and likely encompassed most of the high power turbo cars in-between.

  • Is it bad that I knew he was full of shit before he even lifted the bonnet?

  • So poor driving, the reason why modern vehicles need so many electronic aids to be driveable.

  • Is it bad that I knew he was full of shit before he even lifted the bonnet?

    The wheel and tyre combo did it for me. Does look appealing and the engine sounds pretty good.

    Imagine having a driveway that you can hit 80mph on!

  • 0 - 80 -0

  • top marks rich. was in there today and the Mustang is a 65. the guy who carried out the work on my little fiat has raced against it. but it is also surprisingly road legal.

    new ignition barrel in the Fiat. really like the garage I am using as they are all sound guys. and nice to not be paying London hourly rates any more. let's lighten things up with a picture.


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  • Photos of your car brighten my day

  • Well they make me sad... strange the associations you have with cars.

  • [S2000] Good ones seem to go for a fortune at the moment

    Just had a look and you're right. Really surprised by that. Went they first came out I thought I'd get one as my first nice car, assuming they'd cost little and be reliable.

    You could probably get a decent Boxster for similar.

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