Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

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  • @BrickMan noticed some more rust today when cleaning it, for example here on the O/S front wheel arch. Will research what I can do to treat it whilst I have time.
    Going to try and do the filters and an oil change asap, found a kit for £50 on eBay.
    My nan helped (did it all) to stitch up a rip in the seat today


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  • local 550i touring for under 7K..............tempted to pull the pin on it and go see it Wednesday.... its got a crappy wood inlays though, but quick ebay suggests all can be replaced with "brushed alu"

  • From memory valve stem seals can be a bit tired around 100k, then it’s just standard five series stuff

  • They're going back to relying on tactile hardware interfaces: knobs and buttons.

    This is great news.

  • The wood is rad, how dare you!

  • I'll be flying to London from Brisbane in a month, as long as it's only 2.4kgs I can help you out no problem... 🙂

  • Latest line of volvos* have massive, Tesla-esque touch screens. Very complicated to navigate I've found

    *assuming theyre mostly the same, I've only been in the XC90 T8 which is meant to be one of the safest cars

  • which is meant to be one of the safest cars

    For the occupants

  • They are the same. The voice activated system is pretty impressive at dealing with most of the stuff. But I couldn't agree more- until you're used to it- its a real mess of a system. Not helped by Apple CarPlay.

  • The really interesting stuff is the AEB figures, but I can't seem to find a ranking system.
    This is to back your point up, btw.

  • No..... No..... No. No. No

  • BMW still leads the pack in terms of entertainment / nav system.

    The new ID7 system is voice, gesture, touch and the swivel wheel activated and most of the higher end models come with decent HUDs as well.

    This makes driving and operating stuff a lot safer than things like the Volvo, Audi or Land Rover who have gone full touchscreen. Having to go through three menus of touches to get to cabin temp in the LR is ridiculous...

  • I-drive is good but they don't do Android auto, which is ridiculous.

  • Having to go through three menus of touches to get to cabin temp in the LR is ridiculous...

    Lazy UX-person: "just stick it under the burger nav"

  • Brushed alu is a bit low-rent these days, not very luxury barge.
    What year is the 550? If it’s an E61 I can give you a rough list of things to check, especially if you run the plate/VIN through a spec checker first.

  • Agreed but mine has carplay and honestly the BMW nav, HUD, media integration is so good that I don't use carplay anyway.

  • I've been in a latest V60 and it has a big touch screen as well. I didn't drive, but thought it worked ok-ish. Nowhere near as easy to use as the Tesla ones though

  • Aye E61...... Any pointers would be grand, plate is hv56 vpa. Mot history is excellent, , it's on 111k miles, but that doesn't worry me,...

  • This makes driving and operating stuff a lot safer than things like the Volvo

    I obviously no longer have my Volvo, but you do not need to touch the touchscreen. There were knobs for all temperature things, and all safety things. And the steering wheel controls allow one to do the rest and control the display from there, and there's a heads up display.

    I felt that the touchscreen mostly was helpful before driving when setting a route and entering an address and then choosing the pin on the map... and whilst driving I never needed to do that.

    I wouldn't mind a touchscreeen that software disabled the touchscreen itself when the car was moving above a certain speed (say 5mph).

    I'm really happy that research shows that which we mostly all knew... hardware controls are safest and best for an interface. But I don't think the way forward is to remove them entirely, but instead it's best to control their use.

  • Agreed - Volvo is still better than Audi / JLR but you still need to use the touchscreen for Nav, Media & some deeper settings on the Volvo.

    What I like about the BMW (and Mercedes tbf) is that both have swivel wheels (which can be used eyes free) and deeper voice control that cover all car functions and settings and also have the touchscreen for quicker input when stationary.

    The new Audi centre console is a complete fucking disaster as far as usability is concerned:

    Not a single actual button and all glossy so any cabin sunlight means reflections so you can't see what you're doing.

  • Agreed - Volvo is still better than Audi / JLR but you still need to use the touchscreen for Nav, Media & some deeper settings on the Volvo

    Nope. Deep functions can be mapped to hardware buttons on the steering wheel menus that show on the dashboard.

    I probably won't own another Volvo of this generation, but they had the balance pretty much spot on.

    Agreed that the Tesla and Audi are a disaster.

  • One thing that bugs me about our Seat is that the touchscreen times out every five seconds if the car is moving, telling you to "focus on the road".

    This is an utter pain in the arse for us because we don't use the touchscreen when driving...it's always the front passenger using the touchscreen. It almost makes you shout in frustration when flicking through your music collection to be timed out every five seconds!

    We have a pretty good selection of hardware buttons and dials actually, not sure I've ever needed to use the touchscreen while driving.

  • Yeah that mileage is fine, I’ll have a look later and dig out my list.
    I’m not au fait with the big engine but the rest is basically the same.

  • Thanks ! The only thing thats come up really is iDrive gremlins - the rest is the usual big-performance-barge stuff!

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