Car appreciation... the aesthetics, the engineering, etc

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  • Suspect that we are using different meanings of the word stable.

    340, even turbo'd was really stable, that it did not want to over steer willingly. Even with very old and quite hard xzx70 michellin tyres. Whilst things like mk1 escorts (any engine), rover p6's and an E34 525 was brilliant at lovely oversteering over roundabouts or going around roundabouts.

  • Sweet Jesus, it's amazing to think that Launch Control is optional on a hatchback these days.
    I suppose since the big Europeans share platforms a lot these days, there will be a lot of refinement.
    You've gone through quite some tasteful cars. How was the 172 to run as a daily? I really want a ph2 as a general use vehicle. Alas, I can't just do a box, I still want to have a heavy foot without seeing lights behind me and en early 2000's hatch seems like a good option.

  • Word Hive Fart...

    Want to get me an Alfa 147 hatchback.

    Am I cray cray?

    What should I look out for and where?

    Cheers,

    C

  • Will be seeing that and others Sat. #FOS

  • A standard 172 is great. Small light hatch with a decent sized grunty 4 banger. Had tonnes of torque and averaged mid 30's mpg as a result. Great little cars.

    Mine was set up for track time so had bigger wheels, smaller tyres, coilovers, solid engine mounts and a ktec exhaust. All of that amounted to a droney motorway experience, but it was worth it to push m3's around mondello park.

    I've had my fun with most of the fun 90's motors over the past few years, but it's so nice to have a comfortable new car with a warranty and just pay someone else to work on it. That said I have a hankering for a ktr arb, catback and remap. A 260bhp Clio would be many lols.

  • Dent fixed. I couldn't find anyone who could do a mobile / paintless repair in the end; not really sure what their criteria are, but one guy said it was too close to the edge of the door panel to work properly.

    It turned out pretty well I think, happy with the result.


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  • What engine?

  • Mine was set up for track time so had bigger wheels, smaller tyres, coilovers, solid engine mounts and a ktec exhaust. All of that amounted to a droney motorway experience, but it was worth it to push m3's around mondello park.

    I'm not yet at the stage where I'm bored of getting my hands dirty and ear plugs are just another process (might happen at some point) so the idea behind the 172 is to make it sharper rather than comfortable. What you described is nearly what I want, but not fundamentally that brutal.
    I want the car to resemble a wasp out of corners. So paramount to me would be damping, good rubber and to let it breathe a bit more.
    My only hesitation is that most seem to have been owned by either track fiends, or racer boys, so mileage is high on most.

  • That wouldn't put me off as long as it was looked after. I bought mine off a mate who trackday'd it frequently, including a ring trip, but had an extensive folder of receipts. In fact I'd rather that vs a low mileage car with no history.

  • GTA only. Refurb suspension and go have fun. Busso V6 sounds, chrome induction pipes....mmmmmm

  • also, i hear that a quaife diff is a must..

  • yeah for sure. After having one in an pug lately I think every fwd car should have one.

  • £1.8million thooooooooo

  • It's $1.6 million, no? Which is closer to £1 million.

    I don't think it's "worth it", but it's a Williams engined, 500bhp 911, with incredible chassis and suspension, and weighing less than 1t, and while retaining the look and feel of an original 911, it's also thoroughly modern, and has proper aero. Also, there's only 75 and they won't all be specced the same.

    That makes it in the same league as the other £1 million cars, where they're all worth it or not.

  • I'd still rather just have a 911 Cup car with sequential gearbox for probably a quarter of the price

  • My mistake -$1.8million. I feel much better about it now! I might get a couple

  • It was just too fast to be fun.

    Huh?

  • It was all a bit too effortless, at least for my 23 year old self.

    I prefer noisy raw little cars that need to be worked hard and need driver skill to go fast.

    I love e46 m3's but i think I'd buy a lotus before I bought another m3, as soon as I can find a way to fit a fussy girlfriend and greyhound in at the same time.

  • I'd buy a lotus

    Supercharged k20 MK1 Exige.

  • cars that need to be worked hard and need driver skill to go fast

    I really get this, but I also question is this something I cling to as a substitute for not being able to afford a fast car (like the M3). Good to know you still feel this way after experiencing both sides of the coin.

    @chak that video was great by the way, love the understatedness of the driver

  • That's a great engine, I don't think it needs a charger to be insane in a lotus.

    A mate of mine had a zzw30 mr2 with a 2zz vvtli engine and it was 80% of a lotus elise at <20% of the cost.

  • Thing i found with the m3 was that the cost of upkeep soured the experience of ragging it around a track. All things considered it just wasn't as fun as an angry little hatch you don't really care about landing in a gravel trap.

  • Yep that is what i'm trying to do, finding a decent engine is an issue.

  • I'm pretty sure he just bought a cheap Celica, took the engine, sold a few bits and scrapped the chassis.

    He had a lot of space to do that though.

    It's a lot of hassle but you could buy a car in Ireland and export it. You get a tax rebate when you unregister it in Ireland. I got €750 back when I exported my e39 520i msport 2 years ago, I'm sure you'd get something back if you exported a Celica that would offset the cost. Lot of hassle and you'd probably spend the savings on driving it back.

  • Not my normal type of thing but have been enjoying this home garage series of a guy converting an MG Midget to run on leccy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gh5Ykko­wEE&list=PLOFQS1cPVoDqy89S4IbfWIdfYVKSP_­Tey

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