Critical Mass = Legal

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  • Well, nothing beats a Carrot Dog.

    Black bean and houmous sandwich FTW!

  • Shit, that actually does look pretty tasty. I assume it's free-range houmous, right?

  • Shit, that actually does look pretty tasty. I assume it's free-range houmous, right?

    The tahini is (Open Sesame) but I'm pretty sure it's battery chick ... erm ... peas ... I'll get my coat.

  • Apparently, Lord Chief Justice, Lord Phillips of Matravers is a keen cyclist. Heh heh!

    Perhaps we should invite him along to the next CM

  • this forum isn't against CM, some of us have been doing it for years before this forum even started
    i have seen as many as 30 fixed riders on a CM before now on a nice summers evening
    theres always a few from the forum at every cm come and join us

  • dicki I don't think anyone said this forum is... or could act or think as a unified whole... that would be wierd.

    I'm going to miss tonorrow night. Well I might just join for a bit, I think the atmos will be a good one this month.

  • sorry that very first post seemed to be saying people are against critical mass !
    maybe he means people just can't be arsed to ride at 2mph for 4 hours as opposed to them not agreeing with it at all !
    my bad !

  • Jenny Jones press release. Note that she's trying to get the Mayor of London along on the ride. Fat chance but would be fun.

    News Release
    Jenny Jones
    London Assembly Green Party Member

    For immediate release

    Wednesday, November 26, 2008

    Law Lords back the right to get on your bike

    Responding to the decision of the Law Lords that the police have no Public Order Act powers to control the monthly Critical Mass cycle ride through the streets of London, Jenny Jones commented:

    “This is a victory for common sense, and for the rights of cyclists to get on their bikes. The decision is an embarrassment for the Metropolitan Police, who have wasted resources in trying to clamp down on the civil liberties of cyclists and insisted on taking the case to appeal. The Met should get back to stopping crime, and let cyclists get back to cycling.”

    “Critical Mass is a lively but peaceful get-together of cyclists which has been going on for over a decade without any major incidents. Arresting cyclists at Critical Mass would be like arresting a group of passengers for gathering at Westminster tube station during the rush hour.”

    “I’m going to ask the Mayor if he will join me on this month’s ride”.

    ENDS

    Notes:

    The Critical Mass cycle ride has been meeting monthly in London since 1994. Jenny Jones will attend the next Critical Mass, which meets on the South Bank underneath Waterloo Bridge at 6:30pm on Friday 28 November 2008.

  • Have to say that a politician trying to hijack the whole thing stinks, particualrly a Livingstone apologist like Jones.

  • Why do you say hijack?

  • By making such a press release and by trying to create a party political point over it.

    I support CM but do not support the Green Party. I do not want my support of CM to be taken as an endorsement of the Green Party.

    [To clarify, I think that all political parties should have a green agenda and that seperating green politics into one party is not the way forward.]

  • I need an American to explain irony to me.

    It doesn't get much more ironic than giving Henry Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize...

  • By making such a press release and by trying to create a party political point over it.

    I support CM but do not support the Green Party. I do not want my support of CM to be taken as an endorsement of the Green Party.

    [To clarify, I think that all political parties should have a green agenda and that seperating green politics into one party is not the way forward.]

    Ah politics! There's lots of politics in CM, a little more or a little less won't hurt so much.

  • Lots of politics of all sorts of shapes and sizes but no political parties. It is meant to be disorganised or at least unorganised which is the antithesis of party politics.

    What next? David Cameron joining in on a recumbant? Gordon Brown riding brakeless? That Liberal fella riding with stabilisers? The BNP sound system - Oi music at 200 decibles?

  • So if you are a politician or belong to a political party you cannot join CM?

  • What's the betting that the Met, in a fit of pique, decide to declare a Section 60 on the event, and then proceed to stop and search all participants. Or that they decide to enforce various road / traffic legislation to the letter, handing out FPNs like fliers to a golf sale.

    I doubt it.. The paperwork would fuck them over and it would cost way too much to get the manpower

  • So if you are a politician or belong to a political party you cannot join CM?

    Of course you can, but if Jenny Jones really gave a crap, she'd ride CM every month, not just the ones where there is political leverage/exposure to gain.

  • So if you are a politician or belong to a political party you cannot join CM?

    Anyone can go on CM like anyone can go to the park or walk down a street, whether or not they are a politician. What I object to is people seeking to score party political points by going on CM. It is not something that should be used as a photo opportunity. I don't want to be photographed next to a Green politico nor a Tory nor a BNP person in circumstances where viewers of the photo might construe my presence as an endorsement of that politician's party political views. Go on it by all means for whatever reasons but don't try and use other people's presence as an affirmation of ones own views.

  • From the CM-London list
    Open Letter to Critical Mass from Des Kay

    I’m delighted that the House of Lords yesterday unanimously upheld my appeal. The judgment can be found on-line at
    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa­/ld200708/ldjudgmt/jd081126/metro-1.htm

    This case has now been running for nearly three years since Inspector Gomm first handed out his flyers to all of us telling us that the Mass was unlawful and that we needed to give advance notice and decide what route we were going to take in advance. I’m glad to say that isn’t the case and we no longer have to fear the threat of arrest.

    Although it was a difficult decision to take the case in the first place I (and many others) felt that it was the right thing to do and I’m pleased that after all this time the House of Lords has agreed, with all five Law Lords unanimously agreeing.

    What is very important is the outcome that the London Mass is exempted from the requirements of the Public Order Act and so there is no need to give advance notice. That should give cyclists a lot of comfort. In particular, anyone who is interested in self-stewarding the ride will now feel considerably more comfortable. However, the House of Lords had lots of very positive things to say generally and there is much that is useful in the judgments for other people wishing to set up Critical Mass Cycle Rides elsewhere in the country.

    Thanks to everyone who supported the case over the years.

    Des

  • i think this is really good news.

    well done to all those involved. absolutley brilliant.

  • I think this is wonderful news.

    I have done critical mass here. It never really took off the way I would like it to but it is picking up. I think critical mass is a wonderful idea. I have minimal riding experience in england but I know that here there are people hit, abused, ignored and just generally disrespected all the time here, critical mass forces people to realise there are cyclists around. In California it has got so big in some places it is escorted by police, which seems like a contradiction until you think about the fact that it means a whole team has had to be put together, and change the way they do things in order to accommodate cyclists.

    Police try to mess around with cyclists all the time, I think it is great news that it has been cleared up.

  • Does London CM do the corking at intersections and bike lifts?
    How much (if any) driver agro is there on any given Friday?

  • Does London CM do the corking at intersections and bike lifts?
    How much (if any) driver agro is there on any given Friday?

    There was quite a bit of all of this on the September CM; corking, lifts and agro. Mostly because of the complete lack of police presence. Were few moments where it got heated with taxi drivers and a couple of motorcyclists.

  • @Sano and Cliveo I was just playing devil's advocate. I don't really care about CM.

    I witnessed it a few years ago as a pedestrian and it was great to see all the bikes and I was amused at seeing cyclists getting really angry at a car. Then I went along for the first time in September and what I witnessed made me cringe, I saw a hysterical mob attacking a black cab, threatening to roll it over, broke its mirror... Pedestrians being pushed out of the way. So if Jenny Jones wants to associate her party with that kind of violence she is welcome to it. I will try CM again one day, maybe.

  • I missed September and certainly would not condone that sort of behaviour. It goes against everything that CM ought to represent. October was very peaceful and restrained and made better by the absence of police. Self stewarding worked well and the atmosphere was very jolly. One taxi driver made bellicose noises but was deal with with humour and restraint.

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