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  • Give or take several flights a year

  • Boris doesn’t need an ethics advisor

  • Give or take several flights a year

    Sure, not everybody is as bad as each other...but there's no shortage of irony when it comes to people thinking/saying one thing and then doing another.

    I only reacted slightly pissily to @skinny because as somebody who climbs in the Alps I'm told that if I really cared about the glaciers I'd stop flying there several times every year so its a trigger point for me.

    I think its a bit like the meat paradox wherea majority of meat eaters are not happy with the idea of the animal dying for their food but still eat meat. We all care about the environment but how many of us care enough to make drastic changes to our lives?

    On that note, instead of flying to the mountains several times a year we're now planning on driving but staying for several months at a time. Perhaps a small improvement.

  • From here: (12ft link to FT article)
    https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fww­w.ft.com%2Fcontent%2F6a6a7695-4756-42d1-­b03d-283ad5e57d5f

    I love how this simple bit of data analysis completely undermines a lot of alt-right/incel ideology about gender roles.

  • Can you link to what article thats from, am curious the context

  • The 12ft link takes you through the FT paywall to the article

  • ta, so four day work week will also potentially improve are fertility rate

  • At least until we're all underwater

  • Now plot house prices against fertility

  • Every time I put my fertility against anything I get into trouble. Not falling for that again

  • Motorsport

    Planes/shipping
    Military
    Courier/haulage
    Factories
    Meat production
    Living

    They all produce massive amounts of co2 and other gases.

  • But what about prawns?

    Your stats can't disprove prawns.

  • I only reacted slightly pissily to @skinny because as somebody who climbs in the Alps I'm told that if I really cared about the glaciers I'd stop flying there several times every year so its a trigger point for me.

    Glad I could trigger you! Well yeah in a perfect world you would. I fly, I'm not perfect. But yes, climbing Everest is pointless and we must admit that. As are many things we do.

  • [kevin_costner_gills_drinks_own_urine.gi­f]

  • Glad I could trigger you!

    Didn't mean to single you out in any way. As I said, its a common thing to say/think.

    And yeah, climbing Everest is just silly.

  • Pineapple passport sticker?

  • Lewis doing great reporting again, this time from the Calais camps on how the occupants view the Rwanda proposals:
    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status­/1537842907427774465

  • I still don't really understand the motivation, when we applied for asylum in Germany in the 80s my parents initially wanted to continue on to Canada because they knew some people there but around that time Jaruzelski declared martial law in Poland so Polish people had priority. So we stayed in Germany.
    It seems like they are wasting their lives waiting for something that will not come true, they are in Europe, they are already holding the winning ticket just need to cash it in.

  • The main motivation are those that he touches on are most commonly, they have friends or relatives here they are trying to join, they speak English or they have some historical/ cultural connection to the UK. The vast majority do choose to go to other countries in Europe.

  • But that still seems like a waste, they could start rebuilding their lives in Europe right now, then they will be able to work, travel etc. Their legal status would be much better. We did eventually visit some friends in Canada and the US.

  • How old were you, back when your family was in that situation? The people cited in that thread are adults, people with more already invested in their current situation, dependents and connections than (maybe) you personally did at that time. Also, you were with your parents, which put you in a rather different situation to the 25yo man whose wife is here.

  • I was 6 and my parents in their thirties and of course I was not making the decisions. The situation at the time was different because the challenge was to leave your own country, not enter the other. My parents left friends and family behind. I think my dad was pretty set for Canada because he was teaching himself English for years.

    The person with the wife in the Uk would be much better for her as a legal asylum seeker in Europe were she probably could join him eventually than risk dying on the way.
    I wonder if a lot of them are not under some kind of slavery contract that they have to enter the UK to work off the debts for their traffickers.

  • I wonder if a lot of them are not under some kind of slavery contract that they have to enter the UK to work off the debts for their traffickers.

    I think this possibility is not spoken about enough. As a leftie I worry that we (us lefties) don't talk enough about those who might have been partially tricked into life as a refugee by unscrupulous human smugglers.
    The far right are of course exaggerated in their view of immigration as a menace, but I think the left can be exaggerating if suggesting that taking to the road was the only, or the inevitable, option for all those that end up in limbo somewhere in Europe. For many yes, but perhaps not all of them.

  • As a leftie I worry that we (us lefties) don't talk enough about those who might have been partially tricked into life as a refugee by unscrupulous human smugglers.

    The question sohi asks (starting from a position of near flat disbelief) is how anybody could have a legitimate reason/motivation. Pondering tactful answers to that isn't a denial of the reality of human trafficking. "There are good reasons some people are trying this" isn't the same as "There is no human trafficking".

    I don't see the denial of this that you seem to, anyway. Opponents to the "Send them to Rwanda" farce have in recent weeks loudly arguing that it does nothing to address human trafficking and may make it worse, not denying it exists.

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