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  • While the video failed to mention comments on his apparent lack of knowledge on the photo of him with proud boys or making the OK sign. So maybe neither is complete. But the video seems more willing to avoid evidence that he was and isn't a white supremecist or in alignment with groups.

    Thought looking again I think it says what the video shows?

    During the chaos, Rittenhouse moved down the street toward Car Source’s second mechanic shop, where rioters had been smashing car windows. He crossed paths with the angry bald man, who chased him into the shop’s parking area. The man now wore his T-shirt as a head wrap and face mask, leaving his torso bare. Screaming “Fuck you!,” he threw his plastic bag at Rittenhouse’s back. Rittenhouse, holding his rifle, reached some parked cars just as a protester fired a warning shot into the sky. Rittenhouse whirled; the bald man lunged; Rittenhouse fired, four times. The man fell in front of a Buick, wounded in the groin, back, thigh, hand, and head.

    In the video it doesn't seem like Huber hits him with a skateboard at all, more stumbles over onto him with it.

    That said, the shooting of Rosenbaum is more understandable if repugnant. Someone is chasing you, you hear a shot from behind you, you are jumped on and so you shoot in - self-defense. From there it all goes downhill as a scared child (who shouldn't have an ASSAULT rifle) does not know how to act.

  • Noticed our German neighbours were poppied up last week. Don't know them well enough to ask if they felt the need to be seen as 'good Germans' or were making it easier for their kids or what.

  • I’m not British but I still put on a poppy for certain work events because I’m happy Europeans have stopped killing each other and want it to stay that way.

  • That said, the shooting of Rosenbaum is more understandable if repugnant. Someone is chasing you, you hear a shot from behind you, you are jumped on and so you shoot in - self-defense. From there it all goes downhill as a scared child (who shouldn't have an ASSAULT rifle) does not know how to act.

    I haven't followed it that closely and I don't know all the details, but this seems to be the sequence of events to me. It is appalling that a 17-year old (or any civilian of any age) could be on the streets with an assault rifle. His motivation for being there was also misguided at best, and his politics are clearly repugnant to us.

    Equally, Rosenbaum (the first victim) and Ziminski (who fired the first shot) were not good faith BLM protesters. You can look up their backstories, but on the night in question, they were clearly using the protest as a pretext to cause criminal damage and seek confrontation.

    It is interesting because it is a microcosm of a quite intractable set of societal problems.

  • Sure, but those events are still all about the military. I'm thinking make it an explicit thing to remember everyone - especially as methods of killing become more detached.

  • m thinking make it an explicit thing to remember everyone - especially as methods of killing become more detached.

    Couldn't agree more. Didn't nearly three times as many civilians die in WW2 than combatants? The sooner these celebrations can be about the tragedy of war rather than the supposed heroism of those pulling triggers, the better.

  • Didn't nearly three times as many civilians die in WW2 than combatants?

    Are brave boys > starving Chinese and Russians

  • wanted to be involved in the conflict, ... he intended on finding and joining conflict

    he maybe wanted to be a part of the "solution". Protest the protest, doesnt matter how far he travelled. Thats his right.
    He took a gun to protect himself, another legal right.

    did indeed end up in a conflict, which the evidence suggests he sought out, and put himself in. It takes two to make a fight, but if Rittenhouse had stayed at home that night he'd not have killed those people

    Whats the evidence, location and armed? Not enough.
    By the above logic the entire protest and then riot is what killed those people, in fact go further, cops, cops with guns. ITS tHE8R FAUlt!!.....
    Our country has nucleur weapons to scare but if we use them is that cos we were forced to? No. It will be a decision we would have to stand by, no one elses fault. You cant blame a cause for a reaction or all tantrums are justified lol!

    I believe what he did was wrong. I also believe what he did was lawful. That is the argument int it, if its wrong why is it lawful. Well, because of all the nuances that got america where it is, it has different laws to us regardless of what we think.
    In america guns are everday carry. It is not pre meditated is it?
    If I punch someone and they die it is manslaughter not murder.

    Im playing devils advocate because while it is obvious to me a crime has been commited I am not in any way an authority on american law and this is only that. Law. Not logic (unfortunatley)
    Yes he murdered people
    No he shouldnt face a homicide charge, manslaughter charges, disrupting the peace, involved in a riot, illegally carrying and using a firearm etc, he should (a whole other argument to be had as to whether manslaughter should even be a thing, Im sure)
    He will be acquited, lawfully, it will be a turning point in US laws (we hope)

    Hurling insults and claiming superiority through syllables is what irked me to post tbh.

    Also, bang on with the poppies!
    Also think help for heroes is extremely shameful too. But probably not the place for that.

  • ScotGov spunking the cash. Two year battle with FT over FoI request..

    https://archive.md/I2Vej

  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lo­ndon-59307679

    UK Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said every motorway and major A-road in the country is now covered by injunctions.

    "Anyone who causes misery to motorists may face prison," he tweeted.

    But yet motorists continue to be shown leniency when killing other road users. Tory cunts

  • I don't think anyone would ever consider WW1 glorious.

    You what? A fair number of people thought it was at the time and even afterwards, as the reality of the slaughter became more widely understood today. Not hard to find people who still think it glorious.

  • A bunch of accidental minor crashes will be the loophole for that.

  • David Cameron has left his job because the CEO has been accused of sexual assault.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/202­1/nov/17/david-cameron-quits-afiniti-fou­nder-accused-sexual-assault-zia-chishti

    That's David Cameron, who's still a member of the Tory party.

  • If I punch someone and they die it is manslaughter not murder.

    Surely that is circumstance based again?

    If, infront of other witnesses, you state intent, I.e. "I'm going to kill you" then punch the victim and they die then I'd be surprised if that wouldn't be judged as murder.

    Ianal though.

  • From what I've read and seen, the overwhelming majority of people felt relief after the armistice rather than holding it as some wonderful victory, backed up by the general public & government reticence to see Britain jump into the second world war, which led to appeasement and blah blah you know the rest.

  • I think there's a middle ground of people who reject the "lions led by donkeys" narrative. A lot of people went to fight in both world wars as thoughtful participators in something that they felt was right and worthwhile. I think we can deplore a nationalist mindset and failure of diplomacy that led to the wars themselves, while still recognising that many people who died willingly stepped up to make that sacrifice for something they thought was worth it.

    Also worth noting that the poppy is not just a symbol, it's a money-raising tool for the Royal British Legion who do provide care and support to members and ex-members of the armed forces.

  • And that's what what I find so bizarre, whatever your stance on war/the army is is, should that not be a government funded task to support members of the armed forces?

    The open university has a veteran's fund as well.

    RE WW1

    The Tardi graphic novel on the war of the trenches, based on letters written by soldiers, gives a dim view of the leadership and others who though the war was so cool.

    And one of the stories is an old man getting beaten to death by a mob because he doesn't agree with the mandatory draft. With quotes from powerful people who don't have to fight saying how necessary/awesome the war is.

    Sure you could argue such a book doesn't provide a balanced view, but there wasn't much of a choice for many.

  • And one of the stories is an old man getting beaten to death by a mob because he doesn't agree with the mandatory draft. With quotes from powerful people who don't have to fight saying how necessary/awesome the war is.

    Off the top of my head there were incidents where captured US airmen were lynched by German civilians and German airmen being lynched by Londoners before the authorities could arrive. War needs to be called out for what it is. A tragic and desperate waste of life.

  • A tragic and desperate waste of life.

    Of course the horror of war needs to be acknowledged (check out Spike Milligan's war diaries if you haven't already for a brilliant take on the combined humour and horror of war). "Never again" is clearly a sentiment that we should all get behind, but it doesn't look like being realised any time soon. Until it is I think there's a balance to be struck. War shouldn't be glorified but we can commemorate people who fought for things that were worthwhile and not simply assert that, while many didn't have a choice, participation in a war isn't always a tragedy completely beyond their control.

  • Which is why the Peace Pledge Union have their ceremony each year.

  • https://archive.md/I2Vej

    Fascinating image, would love to know more about the process.

  • Also worth noting that the poppy is not just a symbol, it's a money-raising tool for the Royal British Legion who fill the gap where our state fails

    ftfy

  • Archive.is or govt guarantees?

  • Can't help with you with that!

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