£70 brand new single speed frames...

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  • A workable pub bike. Handy for my local pub where kids like to get new rides for free.

    Not sure I understand the 110 drops though, why do that?

  • So they can use a bmx hub. Easy to respace to 120 with a long bit of wood, a big adjustable spanner (to tweak the dropouts) and someone to hold the frame still.

  • We had the bike in those pictures at work to try out for quite a while as we supplied most the parts on it....

    I've had a few spins on it and it's kinda cool but a few things worth considering though.... for a "large" it's a very small frame, with steep head angle.... with those forks it's very very twitchy indeed, but I do ride a road conversion so may suit those more used to track bikes....

    That bike is running 700x23's and had a fair bit of toe overlap...I guess forks with more rake would calm the steering down and reduce the toe overlap....think that's got 170 cranks, so 165 would help as well

    Can't really remember what tyre clearance was like.... those inward kinked chainstays would certainly reduce the ample clearance eveywhere else....

    Might be a cool little nippy bike with 650's on...not sure about the 700/650 lo-pro idea..would make head angle even steeper!....

    Can't remember, but think it's plain gauge tubing... the rear triangle is certainly made from hefty pipes, should be pretty bombproof, but it's certainly not light.... could kinda see it could work as an on/off road go anywhere bike.....

    Mike

  • ok so i just spoke to him (karl at wilkinson cycles) he asked me what i would want from a cheap fixed road bike, and he will build it!

    so... open forum. lets not get silly but what angles do we want? something more like 56 tt/st?

  • hahah only last night was I thinking of contacting this company and see if they would do a run of say 20 frames.
    If it was up to me id make it more of a track bike than road...

    Maybe a poll is in order?

  • 2 sizes would be nice! square geometry, 1 1/8 threadless. 405mm chainstays. curved seattube. mudguard eyes.
    ~~ race number braze on. pump peg. spoke holder.~~

  • why not just buy a unipack?

  • why not just buy a unipack?

    have you rode one? it handle rather poorly, bad welding and just generally shit, the only thing good about it, is that it look good.

    actually the terrifying thing about the unipack, is that it look like a decent bike.

  • the implication being that you'll likely end up with a very similar frame for the price they're after. ie plain gauge tubing. granted you'll be able to spec geometry thus improving on the unipack from a handling perspective.

  • I've just saw some video of cycle speedway, it look like a very miniature version of the motor one but with slighty more aggression.

    found an old video from New Cross (doesn't look anything like New Cross!)

    YouTube - Cycle Speedway [Vintage] New Cross, London

  • the implication being that you'll likely end up with a very similar frame for the price they're after. ie plain gauge tubing. granted you'll be able to spec geometry thus improving on the unipack from a handling perspective.

    the geometry here is the biggest difference, the SE Draft made of plain gauge tubing but it didn't handle as bad as the unipack (very cheap at $250 over the pond).

    edited - actually $310, but the point still stand.

    http://www.sebikes.com/Singlespeed/700cD­raft.aspx

  • Plus who would you rather got your money, a company that most likely employs child labourers and contributes to poverty/poor living and working conditions in the middle east or a nice friendly domestic frame builder running a (probably) generations old family business?

  • ok so i just spoke to him (karl at wilkinson cycles) he asked me what i would want from a cheap fixed road bike, and he will build it!

    so... open forum. lets not get silly but what angles do we want? something more like 56 tt/st?

    Wilkinsons also build wheels.....Karl seem rather keen on doing a run of 3 speed fixed wheels if Sunrace ever start producing the new Sturmey-Archer hub.....anyone interested in those?

    Mike

  • Plus who would you rather got your money, a company that most likely employs child labourers and contributes to poverty/poor living and working conditions in the middle east or a nice friendly domestic frame builder running a (probably) generations old family business?

    but we're depriving the child out of a job just so fully grown males can get one thought.

  • I'm interested, I'm loving the idea of building a simple honest-to-earth fixed wheel bicycles, in fact, it would be cheaper than buying an road bike and converting it into a fixed wheel bicycles actually.

  • hahah only last night was I thinking of contacting this company and see if they would do a run of say 20 frames.
    If it was up to me id make it more of a track bike than road...

    Maybe a poll is in order?

    lo-pros? :)

  • haha... i think it needs to practical.. so more like a surly but cheap!

    so lets keep it simple, raked forks, a 55/55 version and a 58/58 version? with track angles/tight clearances?

    or maybe not too tight so you can add racks or mudguards?

  • yeah track angles and tight clearances is good - fuck mudguards and racks ;)

  • fair play to the guy, how many would they be thinking of making up

  • he's not sure, i asked him about and he just said to get back to him on what i (we) would want,

    will call him again in the morning and talk some more we could make it lfgss signature!

  • BLBs own frame needs some competition. That sells for £175 but has butted tubing and is actually pretty ok to ride.

    If straight-blade forks, no holes/braze-ons, straight chainstays etc make it cheaper to build, then that's what to do.

  • BLBs own frame needs some competition. That sells for £175 but has butted tubing and is actually pretty ok to ride.

    If straight-blade forks, no holes/braze-ons, straight chainstays etc make it cheaper to build, then that's what to do.

    isn´t the frame an IRO or am I missing summat?

  • There is a thread on it I can't be bothered to find.

  • I went and visited Karl again today.

    Hes totally thinking about selling single speed OTP road bikes & frames next year. But he will have to get frames made in Batches of 100 and he is worried that he wouldnt be able to shift 100 !

    I gave him a few pointers on the design, he is aware that there would have to be a larger option to the standard speedway frames which only seem to fit people around 5'8" on a road setup.

    He is keen on having something at the very affordable end, which is kind of the philosophy of the rider-owned company.

    They sell the steel speedway frame & forks at £100 , but the superior aluminium one is £205 for frame only.

    He likes selling frames at £100, and so do the customers. Ideally he'd like to do the street/track frames for the same, but obviously that only pays for certain tubing & colour options.

    If he could up the spec of the tubing, work on the toe overlap & street/track geometry perhaps a better version of the steel frame could be sold at just under £200? which is the idea which I want to push him to do.

  • New Images:

    The aluminium Speedway frame with a 700c wheel & tyres in it. Shows clearly the tyre clearance & toe overlap issues with the standard speedway fork.

    Karl strongly recomends a raked fork, which at this time they dont sell yet.

    Heres a standard steel speedway setup with 26 1/38 wheels.

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