• looks superb, any idea what will happen to the finish over time? will it oxidise further under the powdercoat - big fan!
    yay, new page fail...

  • Not sure, I know wet clear coat has some problems where you get small arounds of rust creeping under in areas that flex. However powdercoat is a lot tougher as its a plastic/polymer so Id hope it will be much better. Ive sold it now, so I cant report any more alas. Stayer cycles have done a few times so they are probably in a better place to comment, I would def do it again though.

  • Why do we never see photos of this lush beast

  • Its my last day in work today, so hopefully you will have some soon

  • peak bike goals - stunner

  • Nice job, well done. Do you mind answering couple of my questions please? No worries if you have no time or just don't want to.

    My questions are:
    • Was it 100% clear powdercoat or did it have a colour pigment in it?
    • What did you use for blasting? The surface seems to be very smooth and the lacquer reflects the light very well. I was wondering if that was something else but not sand. To my knowledge sand leaves the surface quite uneven and therefore the lacquer wouldn't reflect the light, so well if it was placed on a rough surface...

  • @spotter you sure that frame got blasted? Not recommended for 853 as far as I know. @Gustav had an 853 blasted, some tiny holes appeared in the DT.

    Sorry if I missed something.

  • I just sent it off to Aurum and said 1x strip back and clear coat please, I have no idea of the method he used. I assume it was media as there was a bit left in the fame, but that could be coincidence as I imagine his workshop is covered in it. I know he wasnt happy the first time he did it so took it back to raw and re-did it. Its a non-tined clear cloat, the colour comes from the tubes themselves

    @Skülly I trust Steve at Aurum completely, he must have done thousands of frames now; he knows what hes doing and it shows. When I got it the finish was perfect all over, no pin holes or anything. He may have acid dipped it for all I know, see my above comment.
    My thoughts also go to the fact that 853 when this was made is quite different the huge fat 853 tubes with thin side that are used now.

  • The powdercoat king

  • Different media than sand can be used for delicate surfaces. I was only aware of plastic as an alternative but apparently there are lots of options out there.

  • Soda blasting would be a good option for thin wall tubes.

  • There you go, lots of media materials.

  • Many times lots. Apparently walnut shells are another option for really delicate stuff. Presumably only for use by people who don't have a nut allergy.

  • My thoughts also go to the fact that 853 when this was made is quite different the huge fat 853 tubes with thin side that are used now.

    Oversize 853 Pro Team is definitely thinner than vanilla 853.

  • Powdercoaters who know how to do a bike frame well are fairly hard to find, as most powdercoaters are more used to doing more agricultural/furniture type stuff that doesn’t really have a lot of specific masking requirements like dropouts and the like on bike frames that have close tolerance requirements for fitting parts.... so coaters who know what they’re doing with bike frames are few and far between!
    It took me best part of a year to find someone in Bristol that would adhere to my specific masking requests with frames. It was especially important for my needs as I was painting graphics and then clear coating with wet paint on top of the powder, so paint build up was a real issue in low tolerance spots like dropouts and BB faces.

    Have never met Steve from Aurum, but chatted with they Stayer guys a fair bit, and he deffo seems like the only man for the job in London! He’s the only powdercoater I’m aware of in the UK that has successfully done a two colour fade with powder - something I couldn’t get anyone in the South West to do.

    His pricing seems very reasonable too.... powder is waaaay less labour intensive than full wet paint, but doing it well requires more attention to detail, which equates to more time, and with all types of finishing, you very much get what you pay for, so if you want o good finish, avoid the cheapest option at all costs!

  • And re: powder over raw steel - yes, it is way more durable than wet paint over raw steel, and will hold up pretty well, but no clear coat on raw steel process that I’ve come across (and I’ve done a lot of R&D on this!) will fully protect the steel from rust ingress... it will happen eventually, even with powder.

    Saying that it will take an awful long time for any rust ingress to get to the stage where it’s gonna effect the integrity of the frame..... it’s purely surface rust, so if you don’t really give a shit about how it looks, I wouldn’t worry about it too much!

    I have a steel GT edge frame with a raw steel and clear powder finish that I’ve had as my shopper bike for almost 3 years now, and is now covered in rust ‘worms’.... it’s nothing a light media blast and re-coat wouldn’t get rid of.

  • There are many, many different types of media that can be used for blasting.

    Different types of media have different pros/cons.... you can select softer/harder media for the substrate just the same as you get coarser/finer grades of sandpaper/wet and dry. It works the same as sandpaper grades - the softer/finer the media (soda blasting is very soft and gentle for example), the longer it will take to get down to the substrate, but it is a lot less harsh on more delicate substrates.

    A good media blaster will know what type of media to use depending on what the substrate is, and what the existing coating that needs to be removed. A frame that’s made of good quality thin butted tubing (853/spirit etc), but has a Powdercoat finish can be particularly tricky to deal with, as using a soft media will take forever to remove the Powdercoat, but using a harder media can damage the steel if they’re not careful. It’s a fine line.

    Sometimes chemical dipping is the best option to remove certain types of coating from more delicate frames without the risk of damaging the substrate..... it’s a horrible process both for the user and the environment though, so I have always used dipping as a last option.

  • Info blast! Thanks mate.

    Hope the new job is treating you laaarvely

  • Who do you use in/near Bristol?

    I’ve got a 853 frame that needs a new coat.

  • @hoops great replys, very useful to know, thank you.

  • I used to use a company called RPA engineering, but the particular guy who worked there that I built a relationship with and did things just how I wanted them done fell out with the owner and moved on to other things a while back. I’ve not used them since he left.

  • Have you ever used EQC in Cardiff?

    They’re the company who paint Bromptons or certainly use to.

  • Nope.

    I know Temple Cycles have all their bikes done by a firm in Cardiff, probably the same place. I would imagine somewhere like that will only deal with large runs though. Doubt they’d be interested in a single frame job.

  • You never know until you ask.

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