Hello/inappropriate drop outs?

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  • Just thougth Id take the opportunity to introduce myself as I just registered. Im a 21 year old design student from sweden and I guess I share interests with you all.Ive been lurking around here for quite a while, taking part of all you peoples knowledge.

    Ive been fixed for only half a year thou Ive been competing on a high level up til i turned 18 (legal drinking age where Im from). I love riding fixed, it makes commuting so much funnier and I even enjoy a longer ride on the weekend. At the moment Im riding a Spirit track frame (danish, Ive got no 95 so it might not be very common around london) with some basic parts

    Okay heres the question: I have a nice steel MTB frame that Im thinking of stripping off, respraying (black) and build a pair of wheels for (135mm spacing rear). Stealth is supposed to be the key word and Im planning to put on some fat slicks. So do you think it would work to use a fixed wheel without horizontal dropouts? I mean there are half links you can buy, so I suppose I can get the chain tension right about perfect by just adjusting the length of the chain. Ive read that it doesent work, but I can live with a little (just a little) slack chain... Am I completely wrong here?

    As i mentioned Im Swedish. Hence the lack of london accent im me writing. Kick me out if swedes are not allowed, we dont even have a velodrome here... But I raced at one in mallorca on a road bike a few years ago!

    and oh, just to contribute with something heres something that I havent seen up on the forum yet.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB1mE8e35­UY


    cheeers

  • you said cheeers...your in!

  • +1

  • man that video was totally awesome...
    EDIT: added sarcasm

  • Yeah It might nog be the best bag, but imagine beeing able to say "Thanks, I like it too and you know what I made it myself, from old plastic bags!"

    Im out tearing down vinyl signs...

    cheers mates (oh thats aussie-lian, seen a few of them here so I guess that makes me accepted by everyone? -even been there a few times!)

  • At least you didn't try to SELL us plastic courier bags..

  • nephs you will get a genuine answer tomorrow......the quality of the responses decreases as the day goes on.

  • that makes us two swedes, tjena!

  • Welcome.

    With vertical dropouts your best option in to build the back wheel with a White industries ENO™ hub.
    It fits normal MTB vertical dropout and can be rotated to tension the chain.

    Link: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/white­-hubs.html

    They are available in 135mm, 130mm and 126mm spacings.

  • |³|MA3K At least you didn't try to SELL us plastic courier bags..

    |³|MA3K At least you didn't try to SELL us plastic courier bags..

    What's this talk of selling ?

    Kill him !

  • tynan [quote]|³|MA3K At least you didn't try to SELL us plastic courier bags..

    |³|MA3K At least you didn't try to SELL us plastic courier bags..

    What's this talk of selling ?

    Kill him ![/quote]
    what! he said it twice...kill him and cook him in his own shit!

  • Welcome Nephs cool vid. Reminds of putting a burger ring packet in the oven and shrinking it in the 80's to make key rings. I think I only had one key at the time.

  • yeah....my sisters used to do it with hulla hoop packets

  • kboy that makes us two swedes, tjena!

    härligt!

    tynan Welcome.

    With vertical dropouts your best option in to build the back wheel with a White industries ENO™ hub.
    It fits normal MTB vertical dropout and can be rotated to tension the chain.

    Link: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/white­-hubs.html

    They are available in 135mm, 130mm and 126mm spacings.

    weird. ive been looking at those hubs wondering why they got that excentric look... now i know. thanks a lot for the tip.

    the problem is I was planning to get a whole wheel set for the price of that hub! If you look at my presentation it says "student"...

    anyone ever fitted a fixed hub to vertical dropouts?

  • have you never mugged anyone before?

  • Well if you're on a budget your cheap options are either:

    a) A Magic Gear - it can work but it does depend on luck ie your chainstays are the right length or you happen to have some odd sized chainring etc. See http://www.63xc.com/toddp/halflink.htm for all the details.

    b) Or by far the easiest option until you get some more money - run it as a singlespeed. Can convert any rear wheel with ease, use an old deraileur or fancy chain tension device to handle the chain and volia! Sweet and stealthy but not as fun as fixed.

  • That MAKE: guy is a cunt. Have you seen his vid where he makes a "hipster bike" (ss)? bsnobnyc not a fan of that one.

  • what, the make guy?

    serious?

  • Thats some other shit man. You ought to off his ass for moving in on your turf.

  • re: the DIY film - Umm it's not the weekend yet, durrrr

    I'd much rather pay my favourite scott to do all that ironing and looking up into the camera all doe-eyed.

    Oh and make me a bag.

  • if your getting it resprayed, chop the drops off and get some one who knows whats up to weld on some of thos drops they have that you can change the back end... i forget their name but will post it tomorrow. a guy at the workshop is builing a ssmtb with them, and they are the bees-knees

  • Take a look at

    http://eehouse.org/fixin/

    Or see how much it would cost to get the drop outs replaced.

    Ceeway sell frame parts and have some track ends on this page.

    http://www.framebuilding.com/Frame%20End­s%202.htm

    If there is no local frame builder near you take the bike to a welding shop that does brazing and take a photo of the track ends and see if you bought the track ends weather they would be confident with fitting them for you.

    If you go here http://www.frameforum.net/ and search for info on replacing dropouts you can get some good info to point people toward if they are not sure about how to do it. Or maybe you or someone you know has a gas welding kit and you could give it ago your self.

    Good luck.

  • I changed the drop outs on my old steel MTB, not a bad job to do to be honest, I also had enough room to fit 700c wheels in the frame too!

    If you post a pic of your current dropouts I can help suggest a suitable track end replacement and any old welding / small engineering works should be able to fit them for you, its a relatively simple job of chopping the old drop in half then heating and removing them, then brazing the new piece in, you may have to trim and file the new drops to fit, but its not a bad job.

  • Thanks alot for all the info!
    I have decided to change the drop outs, Im getting rid of all unuseful "shit" (dont really know the names, but you know all the wire-stuff and brakes-stuff) on the frame and respraying it anyway. I think I know someone who is handy with the TIG so that wont be a problem.

    And here's the drop outs as the look now.
    I used a simple ruler to measure, so I might be a few deegres off.
    (ohh I was the coolest kid with this colour on the frame and with the baby blue nokian boazobeana fitted.. good old days)

    next up: beer

  • you want the plate type like RE1410

    or semi horizontal drops RE1260-2

    here:

    http://www.framebuilding.com/Frame%20End­s%202.htm

    or RE1420N

    here:

    http://www.framebuilding.com/what.htm

    they will all require a bit of filing to get the angles right. and you need to gas braze, not Tig weld.

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