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  • Trying to put together an AV system on the v cheap.

    I have a pair of Yamaha MSP5 active monitors, to which I wish to connect the audio outputs of my DVD player, Freeview box, ipod.

    Am I right in thinking a preamp is the way to go?

  • yeah, something like that. one of those AV control center things..dunno if they call them 'preamps' anymore, do they?

  • it depends on whether you want to do surround sound, if you don't any amp will do, most av amps have lots of inputs so you can shove most things through it, and then the electronic gubbins to move the sound around 5/6 speakers. I've got a yamaha one, which is pretty good so the reviews say, but its most probably been superceded since its about 3yrs old. If you want to get one cheap richer sounds are always a good bet.

  • cornelius blackfoot it depends on whether you want to do surround sound, if you don't any amp will do, most av amps have lots of inputs so you can shove most things through it, and then the electronic gubbins to move the sound around 5/6 speakers. I've got a yamaha one, which is pretty good so the reviews say, but its most probably been superceded since its about 3yrs old. If you want to get one cheap richer sounds are always a good bet.

    But kowalski has active monitors which have integrated amplifiers. Thatmeans he doesn't need an amp, just the preamp for source switching and attenuation, I think?

  • mashton [quote]

    But kowalski has active monitors which have integrated amplifiers. Thatmeans he doesn't need an amp, just the preamp for source switching and attenuation, I think?

    if he's only got the two speakers and they are powered then yeah a pre amp will do, though the only pre amps I've seen tend to run to the pricey side.

  • i use one of these :

    http://www.zzounds.com/item--STOMPATCH2

    about 80 quid. you can switch inputs etc etc.

    edit : only 2 inputs though... forgot you needed a load more.

    just buy a small compact mixer!

  • yeah, that's what i'll do. behringer do nice small ones for really cheap and they work very decently. can be bought for less than 60 the smallest one less than 40.

  • behringer gear sucks ass

    you don't need anything with mic preamps,

    there's some small line mixers around for live work which should suit.

    that's what you want.

    small stereo line mixer.

  • Cheers all!

  • One of my cheap speakers is toast. I could probably find a replacement driver(s) for it but not sure I can be bothered. ie. it's an excuse to look around for bigger noise makers. Are there any neat solutions invented in the last 5 years that would allow me to listen to Bangin' Choonz(tm) in my ground floor 1br apartment and have minimal effect on neighbours (not headphones)?
    I recall people using spikes to jack speakers off the ground - reckon this would help reduce noise heading towards neighbours? Any suggestions for average quality 2 or 3 ways with an 8-10" woofer? Can't be too tall (60cm max) otherwise I'll have to shuffle stuff around.

  • I recall people using spikes to jack speakers off the ground - reckon this would help reduce noise heading towards neighbours?

    It depends how the flat is built but I would have though a direct coupling to the fabric of the building would exacerbate the noise. (it's mainly the lower frequencies which cause problems)

    It would make your speakers sound better though.

  • Essentially you want Leema Xero's with some decent stands.

  • The pins mean less contact with the floor so reduced transmission of vibration, I thought.

  • The pins mean less contact with the floor so reduced transmission of vibration, I thought.

    Do you have wooden floors?

    You're right, but it's for acoustic benefits rather than transmission reasons, though one may begat the other.

  • Bookshelf speakers on stands? Then I wouldn't need to play as loud as the audio would be ear level?

  • I associate that image with a hidden nipple

  • Something like these. Speaker stands to get your speakers off the shelves and get them at ear height, with spikes on the bottom so no vibrations are transmitted to the floor. Move them slightly away from walls too.
    Basically if you are moving nothing but the air in your room. Then not only will it sound so much better, you can really jack the volume without the neighbours hearing it at all.

    Under the speakers themselves I use old foam mousemats to dampen vibrations

  • There are differing schools of thought regarding direct coupling vs isolation to reduce flanking noise (noise transmitted through solid objects which are in contact) plenty of bedtime reading on the subject should you be inclined.

    This is a pretty good guide to practical home acoustics: http://www.killahertz-acoustics.co.uk/pr­acticalacoustics.doc

    In my current room (supspended pine floorboards) i have found that a decent sized paving slab under the speakers helps minimise the transmission of lf noise - speaker stands on topbof the slabs should be a good way to go.

    Oh and dont buy new speakers ,second hand is much better value and they will sound beter as the surrounds will have had time to soften (provided they are not foam and have rotted away) and despite what manufacturers claim there really hasnt been much advancement in speaker technology in the last 50 years...

  • Basically I want my audio as loud as possible without disturbing the neighbours. I could go used but then I have to spend time scouring ebay, etc. Time that would be better spent ruining the next set of speakers :) I take your point though so I'll have a look around. I used to use my old man's speaker set - must be 40 years old now.. so solid. DIY was the only way to get something similar without paying stupid money for audiophile bollocks.

    22 pages.. sigh.. I'm off to the pub I'll hjave a look laterz. Ta

  • you need to decouple from the floor by using mass loaded stands (sand filled) with either spikes or blutak between speaker and stand.
    if you want the option of annoying the neighbors and being able to listen at low levels then buy my nice pair of PMC tb2 (audiophile/studio bollocks at a reasonable price :-) )

  • Oh, and you get more for your money buying British-made speakers, otherwise half the cost is for air-freighting a big wooden box of air halfway across the world.

  • Oh, and you get more for your money buying British-made speakers, otherwise half the cost is for air-freighting a big wooden box of air halfway across the world.

    But you don't get more for your money because production costs in Europe are higher.

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