Robin Mather

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  • I'm sure I'm not the only person dying to know how much this has cost, from start to finish...

  • LOL talking about compromise on a forum full of brakless track bikes with risers (replicating the nodder commuter riding position) and the saddles too high.

    Velocio's bike is made for riding in comfort over fairly long distance but also easily convertible to other disciplines and has the ability to be packed down for ease of transportation. it manages to do this with the added attributes of desirability and practicality.
    what's not to like?

  • LOL talking about compromise on a forum full of brakless track bikes with risers (replicating the nodder commuter riding position) and the saddles too high.

    Velocio's bike is made for riding in comfort over fairly long distance but also easily convertible to other disciplines and has the ability to be packed down for ease of transportation. it manages to do this with the added attributes of desirability and practicality.
    what's not to like?

    • 1 . . . Sometimes it makes me sad that i will never be able to as concisely hit the nail on the head as you can Mr Smyth
  • It must be horrible being VB.

    But at least this thread shows he never has to buy loo roll ever again.

    What a fan club. ;)

    OTPFTMFW. Less arselicking. .....Works for me.

  • i couldn't give a toss about the cleanliness of his ringpiece, nice bike though.

    and VV, it's called speaking your mind and not bothering about offending the sensibilities of those delicate souls easily offended.
    try it. it's not difficult. you will potentially be labeled a cunt though or grizzled at by sanctimonious and pious forumengers for posting "affectedly callous bullshit"

  • bang!

  • Oh shut up Ashley you flap! It's a bike geek thread on a bike geek forum.

  • puncture?

  • I was just jealous. Clearly I don't have his brains, money, or even his taste in bikes.

    Shouldn't I have every right to my willy-reduction moment? FFS. You guys are spoiling my melancholy!

  • no just laughing at GA2G's brain farts.

  • Stop making this about you Ash ;)

  • Yeah, fitness for purpose is what l had in mind. Of course, design overlap can be accommodated within certain tolerances and theres always user preferences/bias and, of course, as the above poster has pointed out the very nature of this forum! l guess l like my bikes to perform a particular function(s) well and not deviate too much in its designated use, the component choice is über exotic - that clavicula/rohloff/edge drive system has to be the only one in the world! but how many tourists would choose this? I personally couldn't see myself stripping it down to run as fixed and rebuild as rohloff tourer. However, the frame and components fulfil the owners needs, and the builder and customer are happy then great! There are people who tour the world on a penny farthing ;)

  • so yea, that's one mighty bike you have there VB, a bike for all seasons bar none, made for you from start to finish.

    When it comes to bikes, i suppose it doesn't get much better than that !
    Enjoy riding it, as i'm sure you will,
    and congratulations.

  • Absolutely beautiful with stunning attention to detail...enjoy!

  • Hey Velocio, any chance of a full spec and cost sheet?

    Have you got any more photos? Would love to see some with luggage etc. I bet those full mudguards are coming in useful at the moment!

  • Have I not posted one? What a poor show... I'll produce one soon. Though I don't know what things cost, I wasn't keeping count and just ordered things as and when I could afford them over a long period of time. It helped my pocket but the cost was intimidating so wasn't something I examined too greatly.

    Anyhow... parts... one list coming up.

  • I thought it would be a bit rude to ask you how much it cost you to build it up.

  • I'm not really interested in the total build cost, more the cost of the components i.e. the rims and hubs, cranks etc. Don't think thats too rude is it?

  • Hmm... so I have a parts list, but it's in Excel and I can't find an easy way to put it online because I've put hyperlinks in it that go to the manufacturers and shops that produce and sell the components. Google Docs strips these, reducing the functionality of the document.

    I'll export to PDF... just a second...

    Two attachments... one is the components list, and the other is the calculations for gear inches for the Rohloff.

    I've not included prices as I don't know them... I'm sure you can spend the time to calculate what you might have to pay as of today, but as I acquired the components over a very long period of time and got some discounts during sales, etc... I both don't know what I paid in total and am very sure that whatever you think is the sum cost I paid less. Certainly a quick estimate of the sum cost is way above what I believe I spent over the year running up to the build.

    On the more relevant questions and ponderings:

    Mudguards are way under-rated... it's absolutely wonderful having full mudguards that work really well.

    The rear rack is extremely strong. Fizz and I went over to Brockley on Christmas day and because of my crippling myself before Christmas with back pain and then smashing the cartilage in my wrist... I bought some Ortlieb bags and we loaded them with clothes, food, booze, absolutely stuffing them and weighing them down... and the ride quality was unaffected except when stationary (when you could feel the weight of the bike at the back). No movement whatsoever in the rack though, and a very enjoyable ride.

    The Rohloff... it's all true, these things are wonderful. The only downside is the noisy gear 7, but this isn't actually that loud... the rest of the gears are absolutely silent, perfectly smooth... shifting up is effortless and can be done during high torque or even when stationary, shifting down you sometimes have to reduce torque for some gears (8 > 7) but it's also smooth and works when stationary.

    I tend to stay in direct drive mostly as this is the gear I used when riding fixed and I'm very comfortable with it and with getting to my natural cadence in it, but it's great to have the other gears there. Feels like a single-speed, but when you find yourself wanting a different gear it's on call. It doesn't feel geared though... I don't switch gears constantly like I do on the road bike. It's weird in a really good way.

    The front light is bright. Not blinding, but bright... lights up dark paths at night and is bright enough to ride in total darkness with confidence. It's also bright enough that cars don't pull out in front of you... but unlike the lumicycle lamp I used to use I no longer have other cyclists swearing at me demanding that I dim my lamp.

    The bike is wonderful... I absolutely love it.

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  • This bike will be really interesting in about two years time when it's been tinkered with; bits taken off, bits added (rohloff breaks off-road!). Frame looks fantastic.
    Now it's rolling, what's your next bike going to be?

  • None planned. But I have no need for anything for a while (beyond another wheelset) so if bike shopping is on the horizon it might be to retrofit a Rohloff to Felicity's bike if that takes her fancy the next time we're looking at riding over some mountains (she's single-speed on 77 gear inches).

  • Stumbled on this interview with Robin Mather earlier, apologies if its already been posted

  • you should see the jig he has made for the titanium frames

    its a huge frame made of 4inch square tubing, all the brackets can be dialled in precisely to hold the tubes, plus it has all the tubes and valves to control the argon gas

    typically robin designed and built the whole thing himself

    it is a brilliant take on a classic cottage industry, literally being run out of a farm outbuilding, a hand made artisan product but using hi tech modern tools and materials.

    he utterly loves making bikes and making the right bike for the user. the interview process was so relaxed, covering all manner of details. the pdf about the titanium frames included his intention for the bikes and it fits with what i wanted. bikes tailored for the rider, simple, uncomplicated and stripped down.

    the ti bikes are going to be much more rugged and functional than his ornate classic brazed steel ones. he will still make the odd steel bike but intends to focus more on the titanium ones.

    to say i am a little excited is an understatement

  • Its like a really posh, green version of this:

    (sorry for the crude comparison)

    I thought this was going to end up with drop bars, so this conclusion to the setup is a bit of a surprise. But I of course love the utility of it, and understand that blowing any obscene amount of money on a bike comes out as peanuts compared to a car. And I think you, like me, use a bike for both everyday transport like a car and all manner of "for fun" riding. And the bike is bound to serve that purpose perfectly.

    I think I will have to skim through this whole thread to find out stuff like why you never included belt drive compatibility or a different bar setup. Long rides would surely demand more hand positions no? Its probably all been discussed already, so Ill go look.

    Congratulations on the completion, and I hope you have many fun adventures on the amazing machine.

  • lethal

    it is belt drive compatible you numpty!

    rtft (read the fucking thread)

    hope you are well, when are you visiting bike whisperer

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Robin Mather

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