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Butters, thanks for the link not sure about the Velocity but the Halo Aerotrack looks interesting, don't know the product and I'll be needing a braking surface so any idea if theey come without the colour applied?
Oswald, there are no 32 hole 700C rims with a braking surface in the range sadly, only disc rims. cheers for the link though.
Was going to buy some FRM wheels on a special deal from Germany for £340 delivered (down from £700) had red rims though, bit bright for me and only had Campag freehub, chasing down a shimano freehub for that particular model wasn't easy and not cheap it turned out otherwise I prolly would have had them.
Not sure about the Stans but will give it some consideration.