What is the point in watching a sport if you pull apart all the people who are doing well. If Wiggins wins, is that good because he is clean? Do we only seem to think that others are not clean? Is there a Spanish blog somewhere saying the same about Wiggins?
None of us know for sure what is going on, and all this talk of drugs does not help the sport. I for one will watch to the end of the Vuelta and if Cobo wins because of an amazing climb, then so be it. If he is then done, then so be it. But I am not going to judge the sport based on no facts. The whole of the 90s and 00s were killed for me because of doping, Riis, Pantani, Armstrong and Flandis (amongst others).
To say Cobo looked like he was on drugs because he didn't celebrate is unfair and not helpful.
No one is pulling apart "all the people who do well", just those who have the same whiff about them as previous winners who turned out to be doping. Cobo does, Wiggins does not.
"All this talk of drugs does the sport no good". No, not wanting to talk about drugs in cycling does the sport no good. We are well past the point where keeping quiet and hoping it all doesn't blow up is a sensible approach. We are not judging the sport "based on no facts". Luci laid out several facts for you; they are the dots and knowing anything about the past means it is easy to join them up. It may not be proof enough for you but they are facts.
"if Cobo wins because of an amazing climb, then so be it. If he is then done, then so be it". But the sponsors and potential sponsors won't be so blase about it. Just as a credible TdF winner helps cycling crawl out of the gutter another fucking cheating Spanish fuckwit kicks it back down. If drugs affected your enjoyment of cycling so badly in the 90s and 00s then why is it not spoiling your enjoyment of the Vuelta now?
How did we 'know' that Pantani, Armstrong, Ricco, Mayo, DiLuca, Schumacher etc etc were doped? Not because they failed tests, we knew it long before that.
No one is pulling apart "all the people who do well", just those who have the same whiff about them as previous winners who turned out to be doping. Cobo does, Wiggins does not.
"All this talk of drugs does the sport no good". No, not wanting to talk about drugs in cycling does the sport no good. We are well past the point where keeping quiet and hoping it all doesn't blow up is a sensible approach. We are not judging the sport "based on no facts". Luci laid out several facts for you; they are the dots and knowing anything about the past means it is easy to join them up. It may not be proof enough for you but they are facts.
"if Cobo wins because of an amazing climb, then so be it. If he is then done, then so be it". But the sponsors and potential sponsors won't be so blase about it. Just as a credible TdF winner helps cycling crawl out of the gutter another fucking cheating Spanish fuckwit kicks it back down. If drugs affected your enjoyment of cycling so badly in the 90s and 00s then why is it not spoiling your enjoyment of the Vuelta now?
How did we 'know' that Pantani, Armstrong, Ricco, Mayo, DiLuca, Schumacher etc etc were doped? Not because they failed tests, we knew it long before that.