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I met someone who had a set of the vans, he said that the cleat wasn't recessed far enough so it was slightly raised above the level of the sole leading to clunky walking. Also that the soles them selves were to thin and soft so the cleat dug into you foot Bike Radar agrees. How ever I know one person who owns the 661 shoes and one who owns these shimano ones Shimano ones and they both seem very pleased.