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chris crash [quote]hael two very different frames;

Langster

Sirrus

There the same tubing but if you want to be geeky about it, the Langster has a track geometry with a higher BB shell and steeper head tube angles, a 2.5 cm shorter wheel base ;)

the langster had compact geomerty, not track geo[/quote]lol kinda splitting hairs there chris, no? its not the most aggressive geometry but its still got steeper angles and a higher BB shell. My 05 langster has almost 2° steeper head-tube and seat-tube with 13mm less fork rake. :P you track Nazi!